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for the masses headline edition july 8th

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the army air forces has announced that a

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network and

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i need your help to get to the year

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you're listening to fade to black with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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good evening all right fade to black

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how are you doing today is wednesday may

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only 226 days left let's do this

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we are live from a bunker a bunker that

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is somewhere in the middle of nowhere

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a total undisclosed location

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but it is beautiful i would like to

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welcome everybody listening all around

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the world all across the united

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states hither and tether to and fro back

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and forth up and down

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and near this is fade to block for kjcr

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the game changer network and kgra

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the planets i'm heroes jimmy church what

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is cracking everybody

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how you doing how you doing

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right here david marlar

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david marlar's with us now we're gonna

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open-ended conversation tonight

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we're gonna be talking about what went

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down this past sunday with 60 minutes

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in their uap special that's right

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and a whole lot more david is uh not

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a great author but he's one of the

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top researchers in all of ufology

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and uh i i post it up in twitter uh

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follow me on twitter i j church radio

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check out the picture that this is a

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uh david and i were doing sound check

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research library and archives look at

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hang out there now you can see it's a

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up in the right hand corner that's me

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sitting in the bunker and and there's

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david is it is it okay can i can i show

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he said sure so there you go that's a

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and uh we'll be talking about his

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research library tonight and what is in

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very excited uh he's one of the best and

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at the bottom of the hour all right

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all right everybody wants their own

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i've got a bunch of them i only have one

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that's carolyn ford visit einstein the

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crystalskull.com the links are over at

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jimmychurchradio.com

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go pick out your next crystal skull

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promo code is jimmy

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and you're going to get 10 off of your

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next crystal skull so go

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and visit carolyn for today i am going

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now i was talking about this today with

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uh about laughlin and and what is going

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it is june 6th through the 12th laughlin

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the announcement came out today i got

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the aquarius hotel and casino

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no mask requirements

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that's it and that includes the staff

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none of that is going down so if the

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no mask requirements

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how cool is that

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ufo mega kind of the banners and

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and links are over at

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jimmychurchradio.com go click

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get your passes get your information get

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your tickets get everything together

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come over to laughlin nevada and hang

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it is going to be great seven days

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seven day fate or not party that's what

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i'm talking about follow me on twitter

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at j church radio okay hashtag f2b

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is the sandbox hashtag f2bq's fade to

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jimmychurchradio.com let's get to the

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the world's largest iceberg

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over the past few days a giant floating

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of manhattan the iceberg broke

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off the western side of the ron ice

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in antarctica's weddell sea

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the iceberg is shaped like a giant

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ironing board that's exactly what it

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that makes it slightly larger than the

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mallorca that is ginormous

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uh next news story but

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the truth came out today the colonial

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said he authorized a ransom payment of

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in response to a cyber attack on the

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company's network earlier this month

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this is the first public announcement by

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that a ransom had been paid and comes

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after repeated refusals from the company

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to discuss the payment which blount

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but they paid they paid terrorists

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the first image is captured by china's

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were released by the china national

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earlier today i posted both images

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up throughout social media you need to

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go and check it out it's pretty cool

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the probe sent back a video taken by a

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showing how the lander and the rover

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separated from the orbiter during

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landing it also sent back two photos

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by the rover zerong after landing that

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is z-h-u-r-o-n-g's are

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wrong the cnsa said azir wrong

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is now preparing to leave the lander and

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of mars absolutely exciting now let's

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happy birthday to today cassandra that's

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i'm gonna like that that's that's a

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that's that's funny that's funny pink

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panther on an ironing board

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happy birthday to pete townsend today

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tom scott is 73

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that's right of the blues brothers and

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ac dc's phil rudd today is 67

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and zz tops dusty hill

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dusty hill today 72 years old incredible

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our dead guy's birthday today

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1947 to 1981 died at the age of 33.

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steve was the bass player and long-term

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he appeared on all of mark bolen's hit

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and the album's electric warrior all the

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way up to dandy

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in the underworld his innovative and

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sophisticated bass playing can be seen

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born to boogie i actually watched born

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to boogie

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today all of it just four years after

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leaving t-rex

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steve died in a car crash on april 28

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he was just 33 years old

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happy birthday steve curry on this day

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in history otd

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the soviet union ratifies an

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agreement banning nuclear weapons

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from outer space the united states great

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britain and several dozen other nations

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had already signed and or ratified

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the treaty that's right it was signed in

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fader fact this one's about chocolate

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chocolate chocolate

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under the revenue acts of 1918 and 1921

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and so it was taxed as such

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hershey's sued to recover about 8

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million dollars in taxes by

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arguing that chocolate was actually

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food right and they said hey we've been

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wrongly taxed

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well hershey's lost when the supreme

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that chocolate was indeed candy

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and that is your fader fact tonight very

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special guest david marlar

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is here man i'm looking forward to this

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conversation we're going to break down

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that 60-minute special event about uaps

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sunday we're going to talk about all the

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headlines around the world how he gets

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his research done the climate today uh

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within ufology it's going to be an

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open-ended great conversation

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in just a few minutes with david marlar

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stay right there

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all right

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so i watched barack obama's comments on

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ufos and uaps

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from this past monday when he was on the

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late show with

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james corden that aired on cbs

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certainly was cbs 60 minutes ufos uaps

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barack obama cbs get it see the

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connection

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well here is

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one of the gems delivered

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quote what is true and i'm actually

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being

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serious here is that there is footage

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and records of

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objects in the skies that we don't know

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exactly

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what they are end quote

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what do you do with that now

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we all know this

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isn't a red blue democrat republican

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comment

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no it's just a fact

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we all know that obama is a great orator

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the guy

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can speak he chooses the right words

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he's got great facial expressions

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he's got convincing hand movements

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so with that

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here is another nugget from monday night

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we can't explain how they move their

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trajectory

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they did not have an easily explainable

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pattern

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and so i think that people still take

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seriously trying to investigate and

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figure out

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what that is but i have nothing to

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report to you today

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barack

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even cracks a joke

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now although funny

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it wasn't that funny

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and the joke was this quote

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when it comes to aliens there are some

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things that i just can't tell you on the

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air

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right and then he continued with this

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quote the truth is that when i came into

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office i asked i was like is there a lab

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somewhere where they're keeping the

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alien specimens and the

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spaceships and so they did a little bit

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of research

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and the answer is no

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now here's the truth as i see it

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after watching this over and over again

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he's not being straight with us at all

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now of course

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i can't state this as fact i have no

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idea

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of of knowing the real truth be behind

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his statements

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but this time around his body language

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his face his eyes his tone

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well i'm no expert in these areas okay

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i'm not i'm not somebody that's gonna

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be an expert professional witness in

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in a in a trial in court not an expert

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but i feel that he's just flat out lying

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right i'm not buying what he's selling

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right now

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he's done all of this before he's done

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all of this before we've

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seen these comments about aliens and ets

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and area 51 and all of that and he

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cracked jokes back then

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and made it funny but i believed what he

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was saying

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on monday night he's trying to mix

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some fact some speculation

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and humor to kind of deflect away

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from real answers and that's deception

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he's done all of this before in the e t

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issue but this time

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the delivery just didn't work not for me

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these clips have made it all around mass

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media

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people are commenting on it some are

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happy

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hopefully some are looking at this uh

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with some discernment some squinty eyes

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but you have to ask yourself

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if barack obama knows anything about e.t

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is he going to reveal it on the late

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show with james corden

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right that's the question

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of course not let's be real here

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but barack who is usually in complete

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control

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didn't handle things right and his

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answers to these questions could have

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been much better

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without revealing what he really knows

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and i'm being very serious right now

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listen to me he could have said

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something like

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quote you know

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i just can't say anything on any of this

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i'm no longer the president

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and i have a security oath so

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whatever i know stays with me

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and how the new administration deals

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with this is up to them

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i mean it would be like bam that's it

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right just drop it right there

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that's truthful that i would believe

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right like okay

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all right i'm with you barack yeah

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yeah you know something but you can't

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that would be the truth and

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i think all of us would understand and

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respect that type of

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answer and position right

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make a joke out of that make that funny

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that's okay

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right by giving the direct answers

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like he did and think about this

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right like he did with you know i'm

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gonna quote again here

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the truth is that when i came into

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office i asked i was like

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is there a lab somewhere where they're

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keeping the alien specimens and the

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spaceships

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and they did a little bit of research

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and the answer was no

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end quote now is

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this an attempt at comedy

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i mean it's obviously a joke is it an

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attempt at comedy

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or is barack stating this as

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fact and turning that into a joke

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because he's saying it

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like it happened i went into the oval

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office i said okay where's the aliens

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what you got

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you know it was the first thing i did

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it's what i did

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he's stating this is fact like it

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actually happened

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right he's stating that he did ask these

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questions

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and that somebody came back with him to

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him with an

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answer right

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and i my response is so simple it's just

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this is simply a lie

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that statement is a lie i don't feel

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that obama

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is telling the truth and it doesn't have

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to be this way everybody

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it doesn't he could have handled it

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now i'm not so sure

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that anybody in the know

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certainly somebody like the president

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but anybody in the know

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anybody to know the head of the cia nsa

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nro right d.i.a

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pentagon joint chiefs

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anybody that would be in the know of

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very specific

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information that was revealed to them

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about the government's knowledge of

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et and being visited by extraterrestrial

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civilizations

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somebody that reads the real stuff sees

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the real stuff

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finds out sees a body whatever it is

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anybody that is in that position we

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don't know them

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we don't know their names that's a fact

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but i'll take it a step further somebody

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that

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question

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how would they feel about repeating it

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i think it would shake them to their

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core

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some may be relieved with knowing that

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but

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that includes barack obama so

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by saying this i know stuff but i i

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can't share it with you on the air i can

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share it with you off of the air

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that's a non-answer and that is

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deceptive

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saying that he went and seeked answers

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and asked about them

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and they did a little bit of research

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and the answer is no we have no alien

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secrets

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now it's being related as a joke

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but that is now deception

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he's being deceptive he's being

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deceptive

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i watched it over and over again in his

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previous comments over the years

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i enjoyed them i thought that they were

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funny

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talked about his family and his kids

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asking about you know and and i get that

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that's funny it's humorous it was cool

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and i believed him

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i believe that he was telling the truth

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this time around

519
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it is not that and it comes on the heels

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of this was on

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monday you have to remember what

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happened on sunday with 60 minutes

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00:27:26,630 --> 00:27:22,159
james corden is also on cbs

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this is all done on purpose

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00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:29,039
it's done for a reason i don't know what

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00:27:33,190 --> 00:27:30,960
it is

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00:27:33,990 --> 00:27:33,200
david marlar who's going to be with us

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00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:34,000
here in just a couple

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00:27:38,389 --> 00:27:36,960
of minutes um we were talking about this

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00:27:41,430 --> 00:27:38,399
earlier

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00:27:43,510 --> 00:27:41,440
and we have to ask ourselves this is

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david and i talking one-on-one

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why what is actually going on why

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why now why all of this hitting us at

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the same time

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you know and we have believers and we

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have skeptics and we have debunkers and

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and and television and the media and the

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00:28:03,750 --> 00:28:00,399
breakdown

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00:28:04,710 --> 00:28:03,760
and more evidence and more leaked videos

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00:28:09,669 --> 00:28:04,720
and

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00:28:13,430 --> 00:28:09,679
it every night on the show

543
00:28:16,950 --> 00:28:13,440
but it is coming at us full force

544
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:16,960
why why is barack obama

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00:28:28,549 --> 00:28:27,029
with deception it's very interesting

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i want to break it all down tonight with

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david marlar i want to remind

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everybody uh before i go to the break um

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00:28:38,310 --> 00:28:36,320
tomorrow night there was no show we have

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00:28:39,909 --> 00:28:38,320
uh canceled the show

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00:28:41,669 --> 00:28:39,919
for tomorrow night i will be traveling

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00:28:43,510 --> 00:28:41,679
to indianapolis i'm going to go see my

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00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:43,520
father who is not doing well

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00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:45,840
i'm going to go hang out with my family

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00:28:48,710 --> 00:28:47,200
and i'll be back on monday we're going

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00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:48,720
to have a show on monday night

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00:28:54,549 --> 00:28:52,080
and and there's that but there is no

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00:28:56,549 --> 00:28:54,559
show tomorrow don't shoot me an email

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00:28:59,110 --> 00:28:56,559
going jimmy where's the show tonight

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00:29:00,950 --> 00:28:59,120
you know there was nothing in the uh

561
00:29:03,110 --> 00:29:00,960
there was nothing in the podcast

562
00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:03,120
there's nothing in the archives there is

563
00:29:06,630 --> 00:29:05,360
no show tomorrow night

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00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:06,640
i don't know if i'm going to be on

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00:29:12,149 --> 00:29:08,399
social media that much

566
00:29:15,510 --> 00:29:12,159
but i want to share you know this is a

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00:29:18,950 --> 00:29:15,520
very strange trip that i have to go on

568
00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:18,960
i get that but on saturday night and i

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00:29:22,310 --> 00:29:19,760
know some of them

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00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:22,320
are listening right now um i haven't

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00:29:27,909 --> 00:29:23,840
been back to indianapolis

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in over 20 years and um

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so a bunch of my friends that i grew up

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with

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from high school they all know what's

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going on they all know my family

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they all know my brothers and my my mom

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and dad uh

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they planned a little dinner and get

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together uh

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with me on saturday night so i'm going

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to be able to do that and spend some

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time with some friends

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that i haven't seen in a couple of

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decades and uh that's gonna be great

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so hopefully we'll snag some pictures

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and i'll post those up too as well and

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uh to everybody i look forward

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uh to seeing all of you on saturday

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night with that i'm going to get out of

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here

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i'll be right back with tonight's guest

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david marlar this is

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fade to black i am your host jimmy

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hi this is rob reiner from anvil and

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you're listening to jimmychurchradio.com

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what's up chris what up this is jimmy

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[Music]

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welcome back fade to black i'm the host

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jimmy church

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somebody said over in uh in youtube they

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said jimmy your

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your guitars are all dusty and ignored

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nah so now i'm all self-conscious

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yeah they look pretty good not as not as

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good as where

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david marlar is sitting right now let me

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tell you something

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[Music]

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you saw the picture i just posted

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tonight david is here we're going to be

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discussing the recent 60 minutes ufo uap

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segment that aired this past sunday and

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what the future is right now for the ufo

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community

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david has had a lifelong interest in the

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subject of ufos he joined the

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mufon network in 1990 as a field

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investigator trainee

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since then he has served as field

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investigator state section

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director as well as illinois state

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director david is currently

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an independent ufo researcher now he has

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you've seen the photo evidence he has

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an extensive personal library of ufo

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books

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journals magazines newspapers case files

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he's even got

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an alien body on ice that's what i've

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heard that's what i've heard

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now he invites other researchers to come

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into his a library and go through the

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archives and

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and get work done and i want to say this

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he received his

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his bachelor of science degree in

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psychology from southern illinois

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university at edwardsville

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otherwise known as cue he received his

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certification in hypnotherapy from

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martin and johnson institute of hypnosis

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in saint louis missouri and his website

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of course is

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david marlar ufo.com i'd like to welcome

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back to fade to black

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david marlar david what's up my man

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jimmy it's great to be with you it seems

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like it's been forever since we last

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talked

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you know that's because it has and i

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i swear on all that is holy and

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everything that i love

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we cannot let this happen again i didn't

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realize

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um you know well first off we all know

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that time flies

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right but there's no there's no excuse

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you now now there's no excuse for me but

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i can put it right back on you david

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you never you can put it right back on

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you

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so communication is a two-way street yes

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it is especially these days my friend

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especially

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these days i've kept my eye on you and

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one of um one of the things that i've

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noticed

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uh over the last couple of years are the

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comments

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about your archives your library

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and and what you have assembled there

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it's become pretty famous um and i'm

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sure that you realize this but i'm

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looking

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how many square foo what what is that a

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barn uh

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no actually uh first let me just say for

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the

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wives that anyone could ever be married

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to

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personally but

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my passion and uh we actually uh

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when her and her two daughters moved in

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with me we just got married

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a couple years ago congrats thank you uh

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we decided that we needed to do

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something with regards to the the house

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so there was only so much room for wife

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kids and ufo material

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so either the ufo material went the wife

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and kids went

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or option you know number three we build

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a new addition to the house so we

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actually put a

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about a 20 by 24 foot uh you know

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room onto the house designed

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specifically to have as you mentioned in

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your your lead into the segment

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uh have researchers come in so we have

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the ability to do scanning photocopying

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00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:31,359
here

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um and currently involved in a lot of

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digitization work with old audio

844
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recordings

845
00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:39,760
um uh jan aldridge barry greenwood are

846
00:40:42,870 --> 00:40:41,440
going to be coming out very soon they're

847
00:40:44,550 --> 00:40:42,880
actually going to be living researchers

848
00:40:46,950 --> 00:40:44,560
who are going to be scanning

849
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the latest acquisition which i have here

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uh which we'll talk about i'm sure

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uh the kufo snide cap yes of course

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these files

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yes uh but but yeah we basically set

854
00:40:57,750 --> 00:40:56,160
this room up uh it's really designed

855
00:40:59,670 --> 00:40:57,760
for researchers to come in in fact

856
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:59,680
tomorrow i have a good friend barry roth

857
00:41:02,950 --> 00:41:00,880
from colorado

858
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:02,960
coming in to do extensive research he's

859
00:41:07,430 --> 00:41:04,880
been chomping at the bit jimmy

860
00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:07,440
since covid waiting for me to lift the

861
00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:08,960
coved band so he could come in and do

862
00:41:12,230 --> 00:41:10,480
some research and then i have

863
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:12,240
another researcher charles lear from new

864
00:41:15,510 --> 00:41:14,640
mexico who's coming this saturday to do

865
00:41:17,349 --> 00:41:15,520
some research i mean

866
00:41:19,109 --> 00:41:17,359
how exciting is that but tell me the

867
00:41:22,550 --> 00:41:19,119
truth um

868
00:41:24,870 --> 00:41:22,560
david do you lay down

869
00:41:27,109 --> 00:41:24,880
are there ground rules you can come in

870
00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:27,119
and research all you want but over here

871
00:41:30,870 --> 00:41:29,599
are 10 000 pages that have to get

872
00:41:32,710 --> 00:41:30,880
scanned

873
00:41:34,470 --> 00:41:32,720
so come in and do what you want but when

874
00:41:37,589 --> 00:41:34,480
you're done those

875
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:37,599
are going to be scanned you know jimmy

876
00:41:40,630 --> 00:41:38,880
it's so funny bring that up because

877
00:41:43,109 --> 00:41:40,640
people don't fully appreciate the amount

878
00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:43,119
of work that archiving requires

879
00:41:47,109 --> 00:41:45,680
just the sorting and the filing my wife

880
00:41:50,950 --> 00:41:47,119
and i just recently went through

881
00:41:53,510 --> 00:41:50,960
15 and let me emphasize that again 15

882
00:41:56,870 --> 00:41:53,520
four and five drawer file cabinets full

883
00:41:59,030 --> 00:41:56,880
of historic nycap kufos case files

884
00:42:00,150 --> 00:41:59,040
reorganizing them so that they're easier

885
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:00,160
to access

886
00:42:04,230 --> 00:42:02,880
and in the process of calling through

887
00:42:06,550 --> 00:42:04,240
all of those files

888
00:42:08,790 --> 00:42:06,560
we wound up with five file cabinet

889
00:42:11,510 --> 00:42:08,800
drawers of miscellaneous documents that

890
00:42:14,150 --> 00:42:11,520
were misfiled or weren't filed

891
00:42:15,990 --> 00:42:14,160
that need to be gone through and sorted

892
00:42:16,309 --> 00:42:16,000
filed and ultimately to your point you

893
00:42:19,270 --> 00:42:16,319
know

894
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:19,280
digitized because the goal is to make

895
00:42:22,550 --> 00:42:20,000
this

896
00:42:24,069 --> 00:42:22,560
physical library a virtual library to

897
00:42:25,349 --> 00:42:24,079
where people will be able to access this

898
00:42:28,470 --> 00:42:25,359
data online

899
00:42:31,270 --> 00:42:28,480
it's insane how long does it take you

900
00:42:32,069 --> 00:42:31,280
like these these file cabinets now this

901
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:32,079
isn't like

902
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:33,440
uh you know a couple hours in the

903
00:42:38,630 --> 00:42:36,000
afternoon no

904
00:42:40,390 --> 00:42:38,640
no and contrary to public opinion i do

905
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:40,400
not do this for a living i can't tell

906
00:42:44,309 --> 00:42:42,400
you how many people contact me and say

907
00:42:45,990 --> 00:42:44,319
i think this is great you do ufos full

908
00:42:48,630 --> 00:42:46,000
time it's like no time out i actually

909
00:42:50,950 --> 00:42:48,640
have a real job a nine to five job

910
00:42:53,670 --> 00:42:50,960
i do this in evenings and on weekends at

911
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:53,680
the sacrifice of family time so you know

912
00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:55,839
not just myself certainly there's lots

913
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:57,680
of other civilian ufo researchers out

914
00:43:01,990 --> 00:42:59,440
there that sacrifice a lot of personal

915
00:43:02,790 --> 00:43:02,000
and family time to work on this to your

916
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:02,800
point

917
00:43:06,630 --> 00:43:04,960
and you know it's not just that but i

918
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:06,640
get numerous requests and

919
00:43:10,710 --> 00:43:08,720
and i might add worldwide from people

920
00:43:12,069 --> 00:43:10,720
that email me out of the blue

921
00:43:13,670 --> 00:43:12,079
stating i understand you have this

922
00:43:15,829 --> 00:43:13,680
material by any chance do you have a

923
00:43:19,190 --> 00:43:15,839
case file from connecticut

924
00:43:21,109 --> 00:43:19,200
april 25th 1952. so

925
00:43:22,870 --> 00:43:21,119
constant requests for information like

926
00:43:23,990 --> 00:43:22,880
that and like james fox with the

927
00:43:26,069 --> 00:43:24,000
phenomenon

928
00:43:27,430 --> 00:43:26,079
he spent uh about three or four days

929
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:27,440
here scanning

930
00:43:32,870 --> 00:43:30,400
photographing and basically downloading

931
00:43:34,550 --> 00:43:32,880
tons of archival photos newspapers

932
00:43:35,670 --> 00:43:34,560
government documents and audio

933
00:43:37,910 --> 00:43:35,680
recordings

934
00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:37,920
and so you know i try to make it

935
00:43:40,550 --> 00:43:38,800
available

936
00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:40,560
and it's funny really the impetus for

937
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:41,920
creating this and i never thought it

938
00:43:45,750 --> 00:43:43,920
would get to this this degree i mean

939
00:43:47,510 --> 00:43:45,760
going back to 1990 when i first got

940
00:43:49,670 --> 00:43:47,520
involved in ufos actively

941
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:49,680
i always had an interest as a kid but

942
00:43:54,630 --> 00:43:52,160
1990 i became actively involved

943
00:43:55,430 --> 00:43:54,640
i naively went to local libraries

944
00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:55,440
thinking oh

945
00:43:59,109 --> 00:43:57,119
i can just check out books on the ufo

946
00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:59,119
subject after going to two or three

947
00:44:01,990 --> 00:44:00,480
local libraries as i'm sure

948
00:44:03,829 --> 00:44:02,000
much of your audience has probably dealt

949
00:44:05,589 --> 00:44:03,839
with this i was

950
00:44:07,109 --> 00:44:05,599
shocked and surprised that there was

951
00:44:09,349 --> 00:44:07,119
either a complete

952
00:44:11,270 --> 00:44:09,359
absence of books on the subject or only

953
00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:11,280
two or three that were probably 60 years

954
00:44:14,550 --> 00:44:12,160
old

955
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:14,560
and so i decided very early on if i'm

956
00:44:17,349 --> 00:44:15,280
going to have a

957
00:44:18,550 --> 00:44:17,359
quote-unquote library i'm going to have

958
00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:18,560
to create one

959
00:44:21,990 --> 00:44:20,560
and originally it was selfish and intent

960
00:44:23,829 --> 00:44:22,000
i just wanted to create a library for

961
00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:23,839
myself to do my own education and

962
00:44:27,829 --> 00:44:25,040
research but

963
00:44:29,030 --> 00:44:27,839
as you mentioned at the lead-in i

964
00:44:30,550 --> 00:44:29,040
started getting other people that

965
00:44:31,750 --> 00:44:30,560
started hearing about it and it was kind

966
00:44:34,150 --> 00:44:31,760
of a snowball effect

967
00:44:35,270 --> 00:44:34,160
aging researchers said you know what i'm

968
00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:35,280
i'm not doing too well

969
00:44:39,109 --> 00:44:36,960
health-wise but i want to be able to

970
00:44:41,990 --> 00:44:39,119
make sure my material survives

971
00:44:44,069 --> 00:44:42,000
would you mind taking it on and numerous

972
00:44:45,030 --> 00:44:44,079
organizations individuals started doing

973
00:44:47,430 --> 00:44:45,040
that

974
00:44:48,069 --> 00:44:47,440
30 years later 31 years later here we

975
00:44:50,870 --> 00:44:48,079
are and

976
00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:50,880
now i'm official custodian for kufos for

977
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:52,319
the kufo snikap case files

978
00:44:55,990 --> 00:44:54,560
yeah we're gonna circle right back to

979
00:44:59,349 --> 00:44:56,000
that in just a second

980
00:45:02,150 --> 00:44:59,359
but tell me the truth

981
00:45:03,750 --> 00:45:02,160
right behind is that an alien body on on

982
00:45:07,670 --> 00:45:03,760
the table wrapped in

983
00:45:09,270 --> 00:45:07,680
is that no that's actually a high-speed

984
00:45:10,950 --> 00:45:09,280
commercial scanner

985
00:45:12,870 --> 00:45:10,960
specifically requested by barry

986
00:45:15,030 --> 00:45:12,880
greenwood and i was happy to have

987
00:45:17,030 --> 00:45:15,040
a financial benefactor contribute about

988
00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:17,040
sixteen hundred dollars to purchase that

989
00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:19,520
so no that's actually a a commercial

990
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:20,480
grade scanner

991
00:45:24,950 --> 00:45:23,520
ah man you should have just got the

992
00:45:26,550 --> 00:45:24,960
alien body

993
00:45:28,150 --> 00:45:26,560
but it's a better story yeah it's a

994
00:45:31,030 --> 00:45:28,160
better story it is

995
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:31,040
impressive and it's just thank you for

996
00:45:34,069 --> 00:45:32,240
your dedication

997
00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:34,079
and and looking at this it's just got to

998
00:45:38,309 --> 00:45:36,079
be some it's disneyland

999
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:38,319
you know for somebody like me and and

1000
00:45:41,430 --> 00:45:40,079
members of this audience when they see

1001
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:41,440
something like this

1002
00:45:45,270 --> 00:45:44,400
it's just absolutely incredible and it's

1003
00:45:47,109 --> 00:45:45,280
funny

1004
00:45:48,710 --> 00:45:47,119
i've really garnered a lot of attention

1005
00:45:50,950 --> 00:45:48,720
lately and in point

1006
00:45:52,309 --> 00:45:50,960
uh in part due to the fact of what we're

1007
00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:52,319
going to talk about as far as the

1008
00:45:55,829 --> 00:45:52,800
coverage

1009
00:45:58,230 --> 00:45:55,839
subject

1010
00:45:59,589 --> 00:45:58,240
i had a retired air force colonel and

1011
00:46:02,870 --> 00:45:59,599
lieutenant colonel here

1012
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:02,880
about four weeks ago and we were having

1013
00:46:05,910 --> 00:46:04,400
a conversation as we're walking around

1014
00:46:07,589 --> 00:46:05,920
the room they were looking i have a

1015
00:46:09,190 --> 00:46:07,599
off off to the side here i have a

1016
00:46:11,190 --> 00:46:09,200
project blue book cabinet with original

1017
00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:11,200
project blue book memorabilia

1018
00:46:14,230 --> 00:46:12,560
which i've collected from various

1019
00:46:15,510 --> 00:46:14,240
members that were part of the project in

1020
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:15,520
the later years

1021
00:46:19,510 --> 00:46:18,000
but the retired colonel looked at me at

1022
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:19,520
one point during the conversation he

1023
00:46:22,309 --> 00:46:20,240
goes

1024
00:46:24,230 --> 00:46:22,319
did you ever stop to think amongst all

1025
00:46:25,270 --> 00:46:24,240
these 30 plus file cabinets that you

1026
00:46:27,109 --> 00:46:25,280
might have to the answer

1027
00:46:28,550 --> 00:46:27,119
the answer to the ufo mystery and i

1028
00:46:30,069 --> 00:46:28,560
looked at him and i said yeah he says

1029
00:46:34,309 --> 00:46:30,079
just finding the time to find it

1030
00:46:38,150 --> 00:46:34,319
yeah it's here somewhere for sure

1031
00:46:40,790 --> 00:46:38,160
now uh kufos um

1032
00:46:41,829 --> 00:46:40,800
how did that happen well it's really the

1033
00:46:43,910 --> 00:46:41,839
legacy of dr j

1034
00:46:45,589 --> 00:46:43,920
allen heineck you know i'm sure your

1035
00:46:47,430 --> 00:46:45,599
audience is familiar with his work you

1036
00:46:49,190 --> 00:46:47,440
know with project blue book scientific

1037
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:49,200
consultant for many years

1038
00:46:53,030 --> 00:46:51,520
but obviously you know in his later

1039
00:46:55,510 --> 00:46:53,040
years with project blue book

1040
00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:55,520
he really started to shift as far as his

1041
00:47:00,390 --> 00:46:58,240
skepticism with regard to the subject

1042
00:47:01,910 --> 00:47:00,400
and really towards the end realize that

1043
00:47:03,589 --> 00:47:01,920
there appeared to be

1044
00:47:06,309 --> 00:47:03,599
and you know using my words carefully

1045
00:47:07,829 --> 00:47:06,319
appeared to be an objective reality to

1046
00:47:10,150 --> 00:47:07,839
this in other words

1047
00:47:11,670 --> 00:47:10,160
you couldn't simply you know subscribe

1048
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:11,680
all of these sightings to

1049
00:47:15,190 --> 00:47:14,160
you know hallucination misidentification

1050
00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:15,200
etc

1051
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:17,280
there there seemed to be a small

1052
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:18,960
percentage a core body

1053
00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:21,599
of reports that constituted

1054
00:47:27,589 --> 00:47:24,240
quote-unquote evidence of something real

1055
00:47:31,670 --> 00:47:27,599
and when dr heineck left the project

1056
00:47:33,750 --> 00:47:31,680
when it shut down december 1969 in 1973

1057
00:47:35,270 --> 00:47:33,760
he founded the center for ufo studies to

1058
00:47:37,349 --> 00:47:35,280
continue the work

1059
00:47:38,470 --> 00:47:37,359
uh on his own as an independent

1060
00:47:40,710 --> 00:47:38,480
scientist

1061
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:40,720
and uh over the years they acquired a

1062
00:47:45,910 --> 00:47:42,880
lot of material on their own

1063
00:47:48,630 --> 00:47:45,920
and then in 1980 when

1064
00:47:50,069 --> 00:47:48,640
uh kufos nycap essentially folded the

1065
00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:50,079
national investigation committee on

1066
00:47:54,150 --> 00:47:51,440
aerial phenomenon

1067
00:47:56,069 --> 00:47:54,160
kufos incorporated those historic case

1068
00:48:00,150 --> 00:47:56,079
files into their collection

1069
00:48:02,950 --> 00:48:00,160
and then now as of november of last year

1070
00:48:04,710 --> 00:48:02,960
kufos dr mark rodiger and the staff and

1071
00:48:06,150 --> 00:48:04,720
the board

1072
00:48:07,990 --> 00:48:06,160
agreed that i would be the official

1073
00:48:10,630 --> 00:48:08,000
custodian of their files

1074
00:48:12,470 --> 00:48:10,640
with the intent of over the next two to

1075
00:48:14,710 --> 00:48:12,480
three years getting those digitized

1076
00:48:16,230 --> 00:48:14,720
now um i've seen the photographs i've

1077
00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:16,240
talked to michael schrad and i've talked

1078
00:48:19,349 --> 00:48:16,480
to

1079
00:48:20,870 --> 00:48:19,359
you know paula harris and others um that

1080
00:48:24,549 --> 00:48:20,880
spent a lot of time there

1081
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:24,559
uh don schmidt right um and they

1082
00:48:27,910 --> 00:48:27,520
just all they could relate jimmy you

1083
00:48:30,950 --> 00:48:27,920
have

1084
00:48:34,309 --> 00:48:30,960
no idea about how

1085
00:48:37,190 --> 00:48:34,319
much material is here now

1086
00:48:37,589 --> 00:48:37,200
what they are referring to all of this

1087
00:48:44,549 --> 00:48:37,599
this

1088
00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:44,559
you have it all i well i

1089
00:48:48,710 --> 00:48:46,800
i don't have some of heinek's personal

1090
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:48,720
files dr mark rodiger still

1091
00:48:52,950 --> 00:48:50,960
has some of those as well as select

1092
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:52,960
files but the vast majority

1093
00:48:57,030 --> 00:48:56,160
of the kufos material is here 95 of it i

1094
00:48:59,430 --> 00:48:57,040
would say

1095
00:49:01,430 --> 00:48:59,440
um how did that alright david let me

1096
00:49:04,950 --> 00:49:01,440
interrupt how did that arrive

1097
00:49:08,390 --> 00:49:04,960
or what kind of truck you know

1098
00:49:11,349 --> 00:49:08,400
was it and are you wheeling in literally

1099
00:49:13,670 --> 00:49:11,359
you know file cabinets full of well well

1100
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:13,680
i suffered from two herniated discs last

1101
00:49:17,670 --> 00:49:15,520
year so let me just for the record state

1102
00:49:21,030 --> 00:49:17,680
i didn't move those file cabinets

1103
00:49:22,870 --> 00:49:21,040
but we did have a a moving company

1104
00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:22,880
that transported those from chicago

1105
00:49:27,670 --> 00:49:25,440
where they had resided since 1973

1106
00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:27,680
right to my home here in albuquerque new

1107
00:49:31,030 --> 00:49:28,640
mexico

1108
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:31,040
and we received 15 four and five drawer

1109
00:49:35,349 --> 00:49:32,160
file cabinets

1110
00:49:36,870 --> 00:49:35,359
filled with hundreds if not thousands of

1111
00:49:39,190 --> 00:49:36,880
ufo case files

1112
00:49:40,069 --> 00:49:39,200
what's important to note is we not only

1113
00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:40,079
have

1114
00:49:45,030 --> 00:49:42,880
individual case files uh from kufos and

1115
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:45,040
nycap we also have

1116
00:49:48,309 --> 00:49:47,119
uh the original project blue book

1117
00:49:50,549 --> 00:49:48,319
material from dr j

1118
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:50,559
allen heineck in other words the actual

1119
00:49:54,470 --> 00:49:52,319
project record cards

1120
00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:54,480
government documentation and most

1121
00:49:58,549 --> 00:49:56,000
importantly jimmy and i'd love to

1122
00:49:59,670 --> 00:49:58,559
to touch on this point you have the case

1123
00:50:01,270 --> 00:49:59,680
file which you can

1124
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:01,280
readily pull up through the national

1125
00:50:04,390 --> 00:50:02,880
archives etc

1126
00:50:06,069 --> 00:50:04,400
the unique thing about the collection we

1127
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:06,079
have here we have

1128
00:50:09,510 --> 00:50:08,640
heinek's personal comments with regard

1129
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:09,520
to each case

1130
00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:12,960
how cool is that i mean yes um i have

1131
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:16,240
uh i was gifted uh a couple of uh

1132
00:50:22,069 --> 00:50:19,359
kufos files uh copies cop

1133
00:50:22,950 --> 00:50:22,079
i don't have the originals saw the

1134
00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:22,960
originals

1135
00:50:28,549 --> 00:50:26,000
okay but um but i'm looking

1136
00:50:29,270 --> 00:50:28,559
and there's there's heineken's signature

1137
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:29,280
right his

1138
00:50:32,630 --> 00:50:31,760
notes and the margins and his comments

1139
00:50:36,549 --> 00:50:32,640
and

1140
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:36,559
to me

1141
00:50:40,230 --> 00:50:39,599
but you've got you've got the stuff the

1142
00:50:41,750 --> 00:50:40,240
original

1143
00:50:43,589 --> 00:50:41,760
yes what's interesting about that to

1144
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:43,599
your point jimmy is

1145
00:50:47,109 --> 00:50:45,760
you can look at the case file but when

1146
00:50:49,349 --> 00:50:47,119
you can see

1147
00:50:51,030 --> 00:50:49,359
heinek's comments typically in red felt

1148
00:50:51,750 --> 00:50:51,040
marker he always did it usually in red

1149
00:50:53,430 --> 00:50:51,760
felt marker

1150
00:50:55,270 --> 00:50:53,440
right uh in his characteristic

1151
00:50:57,910 --> 00:50:55,280
handwriting you will see

1152
00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:57,920
where he crosses out ball lightning as

1153
00:51:01,349 --> 00:50:59,520
an explanation

1154
00:51:03,270 --> 00:51:01,359
and then he'll write something often

1155
00:51:04,870 --> 00:51:03,280
like as you mentioned the marginalia

1156
00:51:06,470 --> 00:51:04,880
and right air force should have

1157
00:51:08,950 --> 00:51:06,480
investigated further

1158
00:51:10,790 --> 00:51:08,960
and then he would write unidentified in

1159
00:51:11,910 --> 00:51:10,800
uppercase letters and underline it five

1160
00:51:14,790 --> 00:51:11,920
or six times

1161
00:51:17,589 --> 00:51:14,800
it really gives insight into the man and

1162
00:51:18,549 --> 00:51:17,599
into his opinion with regard to the ufo

1163
00:51:20,390 --> 00:51:18,559
cases

1164
00:51:22,309 --> 00:51:20,400
but more specifically the air force

1165
00:51:25,829 --> 00:51:22,319
investigation or lack thereof

1166
00:51:27,990 --> 00:51:25,839
now how are you um

1167
00:51:29,750 --> 00:51:28,000
are you okay you know what this is a

1168
00:51:32,069 --> 00:51:29,760
jimmy question

1169
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:32,079
do you like just go down by yourself and

1170
00:51:35,910 --> 00:51:33,839
just open up a drawer

1171
00:51:37,109 --> 00:51:35,920
and and grab a handful of stuff and

1172
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:37,119
start reading

1173
00:51:42,069 --> 00:51:40,400
i do i do and actually i i i i

1174
00:51:43,829 --> 00:51:42,079
shouldn't do that because you get

1175
00:51:45,030 --> 00:51:43,839
literally get lost you'll fall down a

1176
00:51:46,710 --> 00:51:45,040
rabbit hole where

1177
00:51:48,150 --> 00:51:46,720
one document leads to another document

1178
00:51:49,589 --> 00:51:48,160
you start reading and then about an hour

1179
00:51:50,150 --> 00:51:49,599
and a half later you realize you know

1180
00:51:51,990 --> 00:51:50,160
what

1181
00:51:53,430 --> 00:51:52,000
i was supposed to be scanning documents

1182
00:51:54,950 --> 00:51:53,440
and i'm sitting here reading it

1183
00:51:56,549 --> 00:51:54,960
in fact barry greenwood i just had a

1184
00:51:58,390 --> 00:51:56,559
conversation with him and i want to

1185
00:52:00,069 --> 00:51:58,400
mention that barry over the last several

1186
00:52:03,430 --> 00:52:00,079
years has scanned about

1187
00:52:05,270 --> 00:52:03,440
20 of the case files that are here so

1188
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:05,280
when he and jan aldridge come out later

1189
00:52:08,549 --> 00:52:06,800
this year they're going to be trying to

1190
00:52:11,750 --> 00:52:08,559
complete the work that barry

1191
00:52:13,990 --> 00:52:11,760
and jan have already started but uh it's

1192
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:14,000
very easy to get distracted and start

1193
00:52:17,589 --> 00:52:15,599
reading these reports

1194
00:52:18,950 --> 00:52:17,599
and i will tell you jimmy and i'll tell

1195
00:52:21,190 --> 00:52:18,960
your audience

1196
00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:21,200
dr mark grodiger told me now don't be

1197
00:52:23,990 --> 00:52:22,800
surprised when you go through those blue

1198
00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:24,000
book files

1199
00:52:28,309 --> 00:52:26,160
there are some original documents that

1200
00:52:30,829 --> 00:52:28,319
are not in the national archives

1201
00:52:31,990 --> 00:52:30,839
in other words you have the original

1202
00:52:35,030 --> 00:52:32,000
document

1203
00:52:36,630 --> 00:52:35,040
signed in blue ink not a photocopy not a

1204
00:52:39,910 --> 00:52:36,640
photostat

1205
00:52:42,069 --> 00:52:39,920
it is the original document and so

1206
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:42,079
we do have some of that material and

1207
00:52:46,309 --> 00:52:43,920
through the courtesy of rob mercer

1208
00:52:48,150 --> 00:52:46,319
an independent researcher in ohio i

1209
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:48,160
acquired another collection of blue book

1210
00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:49,440
material because i already had my

1211
00:52:52,150 --> 00:52:51,200
collection before i received this in

1212
00:52:54,470 --> 00:52:52,160
november

1213
00:52:56,230 --> 00:52:54,480
and i already had a collection from uh

1214
00:52:58,309 --> 00:52:56,240
lieutenant carmen murano who is one of

1215
00:53:00,150 --> 00:52:58,319
the last staff members of blue book

1216
00:53:03,109 --> 00:53:00,160
so a lot of the material including i

1217
00:53:05,190 --> 00:53:03,119
might add slides that were internal

1218
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:05,200
briefings for project blue book

1219
00:53:07,430 --> 00:53:06,720
personnel which are not part of the

1220
00:53:09,829 --> 00:53:07,440
official

1221
00:53:10,549 --> 00:53:09,839
national archives collection now i heard

1222
00:53:14,230 --> 00:53:10,559
about uh

1223
00:53:16,710 --> 00:53:14,240
the rob mercer cash um where did

1224
00:53:17,510 --> 00:53:16,720
where did that come from it's an amazing

1225
00:53:19,829 --> 00:53:17,520
story

1226
00:53:21,109 --> 00:53:19,839
and i can't tell you there's so many

1227
00:53:23,510 --> 00:53:21,119
stories jimmy behind

1228
00:53:25,430 --> 00:53:23,520
how we get some of this material after

1229
00:53:28,630 --> 00:53:25,440
quite literally decades

1230
00:53:31,109 --> 00:53:28,640
rob mercer several years ago had just

1231
00:53:33,670 --> 00:53:31,119
recently got into the ufo field

1232
00:53:34,470 --> 00:53:33,680
and he had become a member of mufon and

1233
00:53:36,630 --> 00:53:34,480
like myself

1234
00:53:38,870 --> 00:53:36,640
back in 1990 started reaching out just

1235
00:53:41,829 --> 00:53:38,880
trying to learn about ufos

1236
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:41,839
he stumbled across a craigslist posting

1237
00:53:45,270 --> 00:53:42,480
stating

1238
00:53:46,710 --> 00:53:45,280
original project blue book material his

1239
00:53:47,030 --> 00:53:46,720
first thought like yours in mind would

1240
00:53:50,790 --> 00:53:47,040
be

1241
00:53:52,390 --> 00:53:50,800
scheduled a meeting with the gentleman

1242
00:53:54,870 --> 00:53:52,400
that claimed that he had this

1243
00:53:56,230 --> 00:53:54,880
now mind you this is in the greater

1244
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:56,240
dayton ohio area

1245
00:54:00,549 --> 00:53:57,839
that's right it does put it in the right

1246
00:54:03,109 --> 00:54:00,559
area right paterson air force base

1247
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:03,119
so rob met with the man and very quickly

1248
00:54:05,990 --> 00:54:04,000
realized

1249
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:06,000
this is original documentation it has

1250
00:54:09,349 --> 00:54:08,160
the official stamps ftd foreign

1251
00:54:12,069 --> 00:54:09,359
technology division

1252
00:54:13,670 --> 00:54:12,079
air technical intelligence center and

1253
00:54:14,710 --> 00:54:13,680
long story short he bought the entire

1254
00:54:16,710 --> 00:54:14,720
collection

1255
00:54:18,390 --> 00:54:16,720
he started going through it and very

1256
00:54:20,069 --> 00:54:18,400
quickly he realized one name was

1257
00:54:21,030 --> 00:54:20,079
extremely prominent in a lot of the

1258
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:21,040
documentation

1259
00:54:24,790 --> 00:54:23,040
in her office memoranda it was

1260
00:54:27,910 --> 00:54:24,800
lieutenant carmen murano

1261
00:54:31,190 --> 00:54:27,920
so you know to to rod rod's credit

1262
00:54:33,990 --> 00:54:31,200
he researched this guy and found a loot

1263
00:54:34,790 --> 00:54:34,000
a carmen murano that lived was still

1264
00:54:37,109 --> 00:54:34,800
living

1265
00:54:38,069 --> 00:54:37,119
and found the guy's phone number called

1266
00:54:39,990 --> 00:54:38,079
him up and

1267
00:54:41,349 --> 00:54:40,000
basically said look i've come across all

1268
00:54:43,510 --> 00:54:41,359
this material

1269
00:54:46,150 --> 00:54:43,520
are you with pr were you with project

1270
00:54:46,789 --> 00:54:46,160
blue book in the 1960s and he conceded

1271
00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:46,799
yes

1272
00:54:50,150 --> 00:54:48,400
and in fact there's historic photos of

1273
00:54:51,670 --> 00:54:50,160
lieutenant carmen murano you can pull up

1274
00:54:54,549 --> 00:54:51,680
on the internet

1275
00:54:56,150 --> 00:54:54,559
and through a series of phone calls he

1276
00:54:56,789 --> 00:54:56,160
started to really develop a friendship

1277
00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:56,799
with

1278
00:55:01,990 --> 00:55:00,000
carmen murano and at one point carmen

1279
00:55:04,309 --> 00:55:02,000
murano said you know what

1280
00:55:05,510 --> 00:55:04,319
you know rod you seem like you're really

1281
00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:05,520
enjoying these uh

1282
00:55:09,190 --> 00:55:07,440
documents i think i've got two or three

1283
00:55:10,549 --> 00:55:09,200
more boxes here where i'm living i'll

1284
00:55:12,950 --> 00:55:10,559
send those out to you

1285
00:55:15,109 --> 00:55:12,960
so we got additional yes yes when we

1286
00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:15,119
were talking about this on the show

1287
00:55:19,510 --> 00:55:17,760
i kept going back to the one

1288
00:55:22,750 --> 00:55:19,520
unbelievable part about this

1289
00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:22,760
which is craigslist yes right i mean

1290
00:55:29,430 --> 00:55:26,000
craigslist i mean of all you know

1291
00:55:31,510 --> 00:55:29,440
and it all fell into place jimmy i i i

1292
00:55:32,470 --> 00:55:31,520
i've told uh jan aldridge barry

1293
00:55:35,349 --> 00:55:32,480
greenwood this

1294
00:55:37,270 --> 00:55:35,359
we could do a show and it's fascinating

1295
00:55:39,910 --> 00:55:37,280
the stories that we could tell you of

1296
00:55:41,190 --> 00:55:39,920
how we've secured certain information

1297
00:55:45,270 --> 00:55:41,200
there was a collection

1298
00:55:47,510 --> 00:55:45,280
uh that was tied to uh dr leon davidson

1299
00:55:48,549 --> 00:55:47,520
dr leon davidson was an early ufo

1300
00:55:50,950 --> 00:55:48,559
researcher

1301
00:55:52,470 --> 00:55:50,960
he was a scientist that was attached to

1302
00:55:54,630 --> 00:55:52,480
the manhattan project

1303
00:55:55,589 --> 00:55:54,640
he was a columbia university trained

1304
00:55:58,069 --> 00:55:55,599
chemist

1305
00:56:00,789 --> 00:55:58,079
ostensibly his collection resides at

1306
00:56:02,789 --> 00:56:00,799
columbia university as alma mater

1307
00:56:04,390 --> 00:56:02,799
but the one thing that they don't have

1308
00:56:08,069 --> 00:56:04,400
in their online catalog in

1309
00:56:09,990 --> 00:56:08,079
inventory is his personal correspondence

1310
00:56:11,349 --> 00:56:10,000
through a friend of a friend i was put

1311
00:56:13,670 --> 00:56:11,359
in touch with a literally

1312
00:56:16,390 --> 00:56:13,680
a self-proclaimed dumpster diver in new

1313
00:56:19,430 --> 00:56:16,400
york state about four years ago

1314
00:56:20,069 --> 00:56:19,440
he was fishing through this trash

1315
00:56:23,270 --> 00:56:20,079
dumpster

1316
00:56:25,430 --> 00:56:23,280
on a daily basis and family or friends

1317
00:56:27,670 --> 00:56:25,440
of the late dr leon davidson were

1318
00:56:30,950 --> 00:56:27,680
throwing his material away

1319
00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:30,960
i have about one file cabinet drawer

1320
00:56:34,470 --> 00:56:31,680
full

1321
00:56:34,950 --> 00:56:34,480
of correspondence from the early 50s to

1322
00:56:38,230 --> 00:56:34,960
the late

1323
00:56:41,349 --> 00:56:38,240
60s correspondence with kenneth arnold

1324
00:56:41,910 --> 00:56:41,359
correspondence with uh senator then

1325
00:56:45,430 --> 00:56:41,920
senator

1326
00:56:48,230 --> 00:56:45,440
lyndon b johnson j edgar hoover

1327
00:56:50,470 --> 00:56:48,240
as well as donald kehoe and a number of

1328
00:56:51,349 --> 00:56:50,480
luminaries from the early years of ufo

1329
00:56:53,270 --> 00:56:51,359
research

1330
00:56:54,789 --> 00:56:53,280
this literally i'm not saying this

1331
00:56:58,069 --> 00:56:54,799
figuratively literally

1332
00:57:01,349 --> 00:56:58,079
was saved from the trash heap that is

1333
00:57:04,470 --> 00:57:01,359
incredible kehoe right

1334
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:04,480
wow donald kehoe oh that's incredible i

1335
00:57:10,309 --> 00:57:05,520
need to uh

1336
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:10,319
uh to get to a break here but uh

1337
00:57:16,549 --> 00:57:13,440
i'm gonna ask a a silly question

1338
00:57:17,750 --> 00:57:16,559
has linda moulton how been by she has

1339
00:57:20,309 --> 00:57:17,760
actually uh

1340
00:57:21,349 --> 00:57:20,319
not at this facility but about three

1341
00:57:23,510 --> 00:57:21,359
year well actually

1342
00:57:25,109 --> 00:57:23,520
four or five years ago now jimmy uh she

1343
00:57:26,870 --> 00:57:25,119
had come to the house where i was

1344
00:57:28,470 --> 00:57:26,880
previously in albuquerque and seen the

1345
00:57:30,230 --> 00:57:28,480
collection at that time

1346
00:57:32,309 --> 00:57:30,240
she has not been here though since the

1347
00:57:33,190 --> 00:57:32,319
uh acquisition of the kufos and nightcap

1348
00:57:35,829 --> 00:57:33,200
case files

1349
00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:35,839
she'll never leave i know that i know

1350
00:57:40,309 --> 00:57:36,720
that if i was

1351
00:57:42,870 --> 00:57:40,319
i don't know i don't know how i would uh

1352
00:57:44,630 --> 00:57:42,880
exit i don't know if i could i think i'd

1353
00:57:47,910 --> 00:57:44,640
get a cot

1354
00:57:50,150 --> 00:57:47,920
a hot plate i mean incredible i've got

1355
00:57:51,990 --> 00:57:50,160
i've got one minute left let me ask a

1356
00:57:55,030 --> 00:57:52,000
couple of questions you've got

1357
00:57:58,150 --> 00:57:55,040
a wall of uh cabinets

1358
00:57:59,910 --> 00:57:58,160
there uh with the glass doors on

1359
00:58:01,510 --> 00:57:59,920
on the front of them what what are we

1360
00:58:03,589 --> 00:58:01,520
actually looking at

1361
00:58:04,789 --> 00:58:03,599
that's actually uh the library side of

1362
00:58:07,349 --> 00:58:04,799
the research room that's

1363
00:58:10,069 --> 00:58:07,359
my barrister bookcases which house over

1364
00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:10,079
800 books on the ufo subject

1365
00:58:14,150 --> 00:58:12,000
uh going back you know to the early

1366
00:58:14,789 --> 00:58:14,160
early years in fact i have a signed copy

1367
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:14,799
of

1368
00:58:17,910 --> 00:58:17,280
uh the saucers as i saw them by kenneth

1369
00:58:19,990 --> 00:58:17,920
arnold

1370
00:58:21,190 --> 00:58:20,000
one of the holy grails of collectibles

1371
00:58:23,109 --> 00:58:21,200
uh for those

1372
00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:23,119
that are listening in your audience but

1373
00:58:27,030 --> 00:58:25,440
uh yeah we have uh bound copies of

1374
00:58:29,270 --> 00:58:27,040
flying saucer review

1375
00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:29,280
bound copies of fate magazine going back

1376
00:58:32,230 --> 00:58:30,240
in the day

1377
00:58:34,069 --> 00:58:32,240
and that's the thing uh i've had more

1378
00:58:35,670 --> 00:58:34,079
people come in here jimmy and

1379
00:58:37,589 --> 00:58:35,680
and you have to appreciate i laugh at it

1380
00:58:40,470 --> 00:58:37,599
but they'll walk in and they'll say

1381
00:58:42,309 --> 00:58:40,480
wow you have a library i said yeah they

1382
00:58:45,349 --> 00:58:42,319
said no you really have a library

1383
00:58:45,990 --> 00:58:45,359
you have audio recordings microfilm you

1384
00:58:48,309 --> 00:58:46,000
have

1385
00:58:50,230 --> 00:58:48,319
case files news clippings newspapers

1386
00:58:52,150 --> 00:58:50,240
books journals etc

1387
00:58:53,670 --> 00:58:52,160
and i look at them and i say yeah i told

1388
00:58:55,589 --> 00:58:53,680
you i had a library i said did you think

1389
00:58:56,630 --> 00:58:55,599
i was some schmuck with a bookcase in my

1390
00:58:58,470 --> 00:58:56,640
living room

1391
00:59:00,069 --> 00:58:58,480
i literally have a library but again

1392
00:59:00,789 --> 00:59:00,079
it's designed for researchers to come

1393
00:59:02,789 --> 00:59:00,799
here

1394
00:59:05,510 --> 00:59:02,799
and review the data and make it

1395
00:59:08,789 --> 00:59:05,520
accessible to serious ufo researchers

1396
00:59:09,910 --> 00:59:08,799
now i keep looking at uh so i just have

1397
00:59:13,030 --> 00:59:09,920
to ask

1398
00:59:16,309 --> 00:59:13,040
you have two uh framed

1399
00:59:17,510 --> 00:59:16,319
newspapers up uh uh all the way over

1400
00:59:20,870 --> 00:59:17,520
right okay there's two

1401
00:59:23,589 --> 00:59:20,880
what's the third one not number one

1402
00:59:26,710 --> 00:59:23,599
number two but the third one

1403
00:59:27,990 --> 00:59:26,720
right here okay that's one the next one

1404
00:59:31,589 --> 00:59:28,000
is two in the white

1405
00:59:32,630 --> 00:59:31,599
frame and that no no no go back that one

1406
00:59:35,829 --> 00:59:32,640
no

1407
00:59:37,349 --> 00:59:35,839
okay okay david over in the corner

1408
00:59:38,950 --> 00:59:37,359
you have a black frame with the

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newspaper in it yeah

1410
00:59:44,230 --> 00:59:42,000
keep going left keep going left keep

1411
00:59:45,109 --> 00:59:44,240
that's number one and then you have the

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00:59:49,030 --> 00:59:45,119
white matte

1413
00:59:52,230 --> 00:59:49,040
frame number two what's number three

1414
00:59:53,829 --> 00:59:52,240
number three is an original battle of la

1415
00:59:54,710 --> 00:59:53,839
front page newspaper that's what i

1416
00:59:57,109 --> 00:59:54,720
thought

1417
00:59:58,870 --> 00:59:57,119
mystery air target and in fact the the

1418
01:00:01,109 --> 00:59:58,880
one next to it is an original 19

1419
01:00:02,950 --> 01:00:01,119
february 25th 1942 photo

1420
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of the battle of la with the original

1421
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news teletype man

1422
01:00:08,230 --> 01:00:06,160
that's what i'm talking about let's take

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our break right here this is fade to

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black our guest tonight david marlar

1425
01:00:14,630 --> 01:00:10,480
we've got

1426
01:00:17,589 --> 01:00:14,640
a lot to talk about now the uh

1427
01:00:18,710 --> 01:00:17,599
the library that we're referring to i

1428
01:00:20,950 --> 01:00:18,720
popped a picture

1429
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up on twitter you need to go check it

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out so you understand why i'm freaking

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out right now

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this is faded black i'm yours jimmy

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church more with david marlar when we

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[Music]

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01:05:47,510 --> 01:05:45,680
welcome back fade to black i am your

1554
01:05:50,549 --> 01:05:47,520
host jimmy church

1555
01:05:53,029 --> 01:05:50,559
tonight david marlar is here

1556
01:05:55,349 --> 01:05:53,039
now we've discussed his library enough

1557
01:05:57,349 --> 01:05:55,359
i'm watching a third stone just posted

1558
01:06:00,150 --> 01:05:57,359
this hilarious

1559
01:06:00,870 --> 01:06:00,160
video with people moving bookshelves

1560
01:06:03,190 --> 01:06:00,880
around

1561
01:06:04,789 --> 01:06:03,200
that's probably pretty close to what

1562
01:06:06,870 --> 01:06:04,799
david went through

1563
01:06:08,309 --> 01:06:06,880
uh to get that put together yeah david

1564
01:06:11,109 --> 01:06:08,319
it is indeed impressive

1565
01:06:12,230 --> 01:06:11,119
and that's a lot to be proud of for sure

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01:06:14,150 --> 01:06:12,240
um i would charge

1567
01:06:15,589 --> 01:06:14,160
linda though i would charge charger

1568
01:06:18,950 --> 01:06:15,599
right at the door

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01:06:20,630 --> 01:06:18,960
need like a hand stamp right

1570
01:06:23,109 --> 01:06:20,640
i would like to add before we move on

1571
01:06:24,309 --> 01:06:23,119
jimmy that the university of new mexico

1572
01:06:26,630 --> 01:06:24,319
here in albuquerque

1573
01:06:27,510 --> 01:06:26,640
has been extremely open to the ufo

1574
01:06:32,230 --> 01:06:27,520
subject

1575
01:06:35,510 --> 01:06:32,240
university a few years ago and

1576
01:06:37,750 --> 01:06:35,520
the reason for that was i've bequeathed

1577
01:06:38,950 --> 01:06:37,760
this entire collection to the university

1578
01:06:42,150 --> 01:06:38,960
of new mexico

1579
01:06:43,990 --> 01:06:42,160
which they are readily open to accepting

1580
01:06:46,230 --> 01:06:44,000
and will make it part of their southwest

1581
01:06:47,670 --> 01:06:46,240
special collections group so

1582
01:06:49,430 --> 01:06:47,680
you know the goal is to collect the

1583
01:06:50,390 --> 01:06:49,440
information but ultimately we want to

1584
01:06:52,950 --> 01:06:50,400
preserve it so

1585
01:06:54,549 --> 01:06:52,960
when i shuffle off this mortal coil this

1586
01:06:56,630 --> 01:06:54,559
material will still be preserved for

1587
01:06:58,470 --> 01:06:56,640
perpetuity per the contract that i have

1588
01:07:00,549 --> 01:06:58,480
with university of new mexico

1589
01:07:01,670 --> 01:07:00,559
to be preserved and much like dr james

1590
01:07:04,950 --> 01:07:01,680
mcdonald's research

1591
01:07:07,589 --> 01:07:04,960
at the university of arizona in tucson

1592
01:07:08,950 --> 01:07:07,599
50 years from now it it pleases my heart

1593
01:07:10,150 --> 01:07:08,960
to know that people will be able to go

1594
01:07:12,870 --> 01:07:10,160
and review these files

1595
01:07:14,230 --> 01:07:12,880
yeah no doubt uh and and that is really

1596
01:07:16,950 --> 01:07:14,240
what about

1597
01:07:17,589 --> 01:07:16,960
uh clifford stone uh you know he's down

1598
01:07:20,470 --> 01:07:17,599
the road

1599
01:07:22,470 --> 01:07:20,480
uh was you know right there in roswell

1600
01:07:23,430 --> 01:07:22,480
uh what about uh his archives and

1601
01:07:26,710 --> 01:07:23,440
there's a lot of

1602
01:07:29,829 --> 01:07:26,720
concern about uh you know

1603
01:07:31,589 --> 01:07:29,839
will they be preserved sure yeah i i

1604
01:07:33,829 --> 01:07:31,599
never did have any direct communication

1605
01:07:36,150 --> 01:07:33,839
with clifford but i would hope that at

1606
01:07:38,710 --> 01:07:36,160
the very least since he was a roswell

1607
01:07:40,150 --> 01:07:38,720
uh you know citizen that hopefully that

1608
01:07:42,630 --> 01:07:40,160
would be preserved at the

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01:07:43,910 --> 01:07:42,640
museum and research center at roswell

1610
01:07:47,430 --> 01:07:43,920
yeah

1611
01:07:49,750 --> 01:07:47,440
again just an incredible amount of

1612
01:07:51,029 --> 01:07:49,760
uh collecting that he did over the years

1613
01:07:53,510 --> 01:07:51,039
and thankfully

1614
01:07:55,829 --> 01:07:53,520
yeah he uh he he sent me everything on

1615
01:07:57,750 --> 01:07:55,839
dvd well not everything uh but he sent

1616
01:08:00,870 --> 01:07:57,760
me what he had up to that point

1617
01:08:03,510 --> 01:08:00,880
sure and and i do have those but

1618
01:08:04,870 --> 01:08:03,520
that was a lot of material too and you

1619
01:08:08,390 --> 01:08:04,880
know stanton friedman

1620
01:08:10,630 --> 01:08:08,400
and and others uh over the years

1621
01:08:11,910 --> 01:08:10,640
that have committed their lives to

1622
01:08:13,990 --> 01:08:11,920
research and

1623
01:08:16,390 --> 01:08:14,000
and collecting as much data as they

1624
01:08:17,910 --> 01:08:16,400
could it always makes me wonder where

1625
01:08:20,149 --> 01:08:17,920
does this stuff go

1626
01:08:22,149 --> 01:08:20,159
well absolutely well unfortunately a lot

1627
01:08:22,789 --> 01:08:22,159
of it's relegated to the trash dumpster

1628
01:08:25,030 --> 01:08:22,799
we've lost

1629
01:08:25,990 --> 01:08:25,040
so many collections over the years i i

1630
01:08:28,709 --> 01:08:26,000
can't tell you

1631
01:08:30,149 --> 01:08:28,719
uh and so my goal is to try to preserve

1632
01:08:30,950 --> 01:08:30,159
as much of this historical information

1633
01:08:32,950 --> 01:08:30,960
as possible

1634
01:08:34,630 --> 01:08:32,960
for two reasons and i know we want to

1635
01:08:36,789 --> 01:08:34,640
move on to other things but

1636
01:08:38,470 --> 01:08:36,799
the goal is to preserve it for history's

1637
01:08:41,189 --> 01:08:38,480
sake the second

1638
01:08:42,149 --> 01:08:41,199
is when we're looking at these modern

1639
01:08:44,309 --> 01:08:42,159
occurrences

1640
01:08:46,149 --> 01:08:44,319
that we're hearing about now through the

1641
01:08:48,630 --> 01:08:46,159
dod the pentagon

1642
01:08:49,749 --> 01:08:48,640
we need to look at it and compare it to

1643
01:08:52,149 --> 01:08:49,759
the historical

1644
01:08:54,390 --> 01:08:52,159
context that we have of all of these

1645
01:08:55,749 --> 01:08:54,400
tens of thousands of case files

1646
01:08:57,430 --> 01:08:55,759
as i've always said it doesn't matter

1647
01:08:59,430 --> 01:08:57,440
what you believe regarding the ufo

1648
01:09:00,309 --> 01:08:59,440
phenomenon it only matters what the data

1649
01:09:02,709 --> 01:09:00,319
reflects

1650
01:09:05,030 --> 01:09:02,719
well each one of these ufo reports each

1651
01:09:06,870 --> 01:09:05,040
one of these case files is a data point

1652
01:09:09,349 --> 01:09:06,880
the more data points we have the more

1653
01:09:11,829 --> 01:09:09,359
pieces of the puzzle we have and i think

1654
01:09:12,550 --> 01:09:11,839
in preserving that and analyzing all of

1655
01:09:15,749 --> 01:09:12,560
that

1656
01:09:18,870 --> 01:09:15,759
into the phenomenon

1657
01:09:20,309 --> 01:09:18,880
now um and just another personal

1658
01:09:23,510 --> 01:09:20,319
question um

1659
01:09:25,349 --> 01:09:23,520
albuquerque is small

1660
01:09:26,870 --> 01:09:25,359
most people don't realize that until you

1661
01:09:27,749 --> 01:09:26,880
get there it's a great city it's

1662
01:09:30,950 --> 01:09:27,759
beautiful

1663
01:09:33,990 --> 01:09:30,960
absolutely but half of that city is

1664
01:09:36,870 --> 01:09:34,000
top secret i mean it's right

1665
01:09:37,590 --> 01:09:36,880
it is a lot of history there you have

1666
01:09:40,070 --> 01:09:37,600
kirkland

1667
01:09:40,789 --> 01:09:40,080
you when you pull into albuquerque or

1668
01:09:42,870 --> 01:09:40,799
you fly in

1669
01:09:45,669 --> 01:09:42,880
and you see well you know you've got

1670
01:09:49,030 --> 01:09:45,679
sandy you know half of the city

1671
01:09:51,590 --> 01:09:49,040
is researchers um

1672
01:09:52,070 --> 01:09:51,600
secret things that are going on you've

1673
01:09:55,350 --> 01:09:52,080
got an

1674
01:09:57,830 --> 01:09:55,360
air force base with a storied history

1675
01:09:58,470 --> 01:09:57,840
uh with its ties to the ufo subject

1676
01:10:01,350 --> 01:09:58,480
absolutely

1677
01:10:01,990 --> 01:10:01,360
it's all going down right there it's a

1678
01:10:04,390 --> 01:10:02,000
fascinating

1679
01:10:06,229 --> 01:10:04,400
state from just a perspective of

1680
01:10:08,550 --> 01:10:06,239
military history and military

1681
01:10:10,390 --> 01:10:08,560
development to your point but also

1682
01:10:13,350 --> 01:10:10,400
you know inextricably bound to that

1683
01:10:15,350 --> 01:10:13,360
military history is the ufo phenomenon

1684
01:10:16,550 --> 01:10:15,360
whether you like it or not it's it's

1685
01:10:20,630 --> 01:10:16,560
right there it's it's

1686
01:10:23,990 --> 01:10:20,640
it's tangible you know it's it's

1687
01:10:28,070 --> 01:10:24,000
one of the things um i remember

1688
01:10:29,590 --> 01:10:28,080
this is years ago okay probably 25 years

1689
01:10:31,990 --> 01:10:29,600
ago maybe longer

1690
01:10:34,390 --> 01:10:32,000
first time i was in albuquerque pulled

1691
01:10:36,790 --> 01:10:34,400
in i was on a tour bus with a band

1692
01:10:37,910 --> 01:10:36,800
and we rolled by kirkland and i'm just

1693
01:10:39,430 --> 01:10:37,920
looking at it

1694
01:10:41,669 --> 01:10:39,440
and i was thinking about okay we got

1695
01:10:42,950 --> 01:10:41,679
bobby unser we got the racing

1696
01:10:45,350 --> 01:10:42,960
you know you know what i mean we got

1697
01:10:45,830 --> 01:10:45,360
that part of albuquerque absolutely and

1698
01:10:49,350 --> 01:10:45,840
there's

1699
01:10:52,550 --> 01:10:49,360
kirkland yeah it just blew my mind

1700
01:10:55,750 --> 01:10:52,560
and it's it's like half of the city is

1701
01:10:58,070 --> 01:10:55,760
sandia and kirkland and not very far

1702
01:10:59,669 --> 01:10:58,080
north we have los alamos and not very

1703
01:11:00,630 --> 01:10:59,679
far south we have white sands missile

1704
01:11:02,790 --> 01:11:00,640
range so

1705
01:11:04,790 --> 01:11:02,800
and again jimmy to your you know earlier

1706
01:11:07,189 --> 01:11:04,800
point all of these are tied to the ufo

1707
01:11:10,310 --> 01:11:07,199
phenomenon when you look at the history

1708
01:11:10,950 --> 01:11:10,320
roswell and and now as well of course we

1709
01:11:13,910 --> 01:11:10,960
have uh

1710
01:11:14,229 --> 01:11:13,920
the new book trinity uh by jacques valet

1711
01:11:22,950 --> 01:11:14,239
and

1712
01:11:27,030 --> 01:11:22,960
into what's going on today

1713
01:11:28,790 --> 01:11:27,040
but what is it about new mexico

1714
01:11:30,310 --> 01:11:28,800
right that i mean that's just the

1715
01:11:33,430 --> 01:11:30,320
question is just right there

1716
01:11:36,070 --> 01:11:33,440
for what is it oh about new mexico

1717
01:11:39,030 --> 01:11:36,080
is it the nuclear side is it the native

1718
01:11:41,030 --> 01:11:39,040
american is it the indigenous cultures

1719
01:11:43,110 --> 01:11:41,040
right you know is it you know what is it

1720
01:11:44,149 --> 01:11:43,120
about new mexico and ufos

1721
01:11:46,149 --> 01:11:44,159
well again you'll probably have

1722
01:11:49,110 --> 01:11:46,159
different answers to that question my

1723
01:11:51,030 --> 01:11:49,120
answer to that question is and i say

1724
01:11:53,830 --> 01:11:51,040
this in the context of looking at

1725
01:11:54,070 --> 01:11:53,840
national and worldwide sightings as well

1726
01:11:58,070 --> 01:11:54,080
i

1727
01:12:01,030 --> 01:11:58,080
development

1728
01:12:02,790 --> 01:12:01,040
uh you know certainly new mexico really

1729
01:12:04,550 --> 01:12:02,800
paved the way i mean right i mean we had

1730
01:12:05,430 --> 01:12:04,560
the first atomic detonation here at the

1731
01:12:08,149 --> 01:12:05,440
trinity

1732
01:12:09,990 --> 01:12:08,159
site uh and you know roswell of course

1733
01:12:13,030 --> 01:12:10,000
was the only atomic bomb wing

1734
01:12:13,750 --> 01:12:13,040
at the time um i think you know to the

1735
01:12:15,590 --> 01:12:13,760
credit of

1736
01:12:16,950 --> 01:12:15,600
you know my friend robert hastings and

1737
01:12:19,030 --> 01:12:16,960
others uh

1738
01:12:21,270 --> 01:12:19,040
that have really pointed to this fact

1739
01:12:24,709 --> 01:12:21,280
there seems to be a strong correlation

1740
01:12:27,910 --> 01:12:24,719
with military uh areas

1741
01:12:28,790 --> 01:12:27,920
specific to nuclear weapons nuclear

1742
01:12:31,510 --> 01:12:28,800
weapons storage

1743
01:12:32,550 --> 01:12:31,520
nuclear weapons testing and then we have

1744
01:12:35,990 --> 01:12:32,560
socorro

1745
01:12:37,910 --> 01:12:36,000
right and zocoro yeah in fact i know

1746
01:12:39,910 --> 01:12:37,920
lonnie zamar zamora's daughter she's

1747
01:12:41,350 --> 01:12:39,920
gonna be uh coming out here very soon to

1748
01:12:42,950 --> 01:12:41,360
see the collection for the first time

1749
01:12:45,350 --> 01:12:42,960
man i can't wait i'm waiting for my

1750
01:12:45,830 --> 01:12:45,360
invitation you have an open invitation

1751
01:12:49,110 --> 01:12:45,840
my friend

1752
01:12:52,630 --> 01:12:49,120
man man all right now now

1753
01:12:55,430 --> 01:12:52,640
um you've been at this for so long and

1754
01:12:56,550 --> 01:12:55,440
your knowledge on the black triangle

1755
01:12:59,830 --> 01:12:56,560
subject

1756
01:13:01,990 --> 01:12:59,840
probably is second to none uh with with

1757
01:13:03,430 --> 01:13:02,000
all of the researchers that have gone

1758
01:13:05,510 --> 01:13:03,440
everybody looks to you

1759
01:13:06,630 --> 01:13:05,520
uh for these answers you've been you've

1760
01:13:09,750 --> 01:13:06,640
been chasing this

1761
01:13:13,110 --> 01:13:09,760
for a very long time yes

1762
01:13:16,070 --> 01:13:13,120
what is going on today it is

1763
01:13:17,990 --> 01:13:16,080
it's out of control it is uh yeah i mean

1764
01:13:19,990 --> 01:13:18,000
that's a fair assessment i think jimmy

1765
01:13:22,229 --> 01:13:20,000
uh you know it's interesting i was just

1766
01:13:24,149 --> 01:13:22,239
looking at cheryl acosta's statistical

1767
01:13:26,630 --> 01:13:24,159
work on black triangles

1768
01:13:28,870 --> 01:13:26,640
and you know she just published a new

1769
01:13:31,669 --> 01:13:28,880
book and an addendum to her first book

1770
01:13:33,510 --> 01:13:31,679
but she looked at ufo shapes and the

1771
01:13:35,910 --> 01:13:33,520
reporting frequency of these

1772
01:13:37,030 --> 01:13:35,920
per year and when you look at her work

1773
01:13:40,149 --> 01:13:37,040
from 2001

1774
01:13:42,550 --> 01:13:40,159
to 2015 you see

1775
01:13:43,669 --> 01:13:42,560
with minor fluctuation very minor

1776
01:13:47,350 --> 01:13:43,679
fluctuation

1777
01:13:49,030 --> 01:13:47,360
a consistent trend upward with regard to

1778
01:13:49,910 --> 01:13:49,040
frequency of sightings of triangular

1779
01:13:52,550 --> 01:13:49,920
ufos

1780
01:13:56,229 --> 01:13:52,560
just just for uh the sake of argument

1781
01:13:57,590 --> 01:13:56,239
2001 she cited 395 reports on file from

1782
01:14:02,110 --> 01:13:57,600
the data sources that she

1783
01:14:05,110 --> 01:14:02,120
she looked at compare that to 2015

1784
01:14:06,950 --> 01:14:05,120
1051 wow between those two numbers you

1785
01:14:07,590 --> 01:14:06,960
see this gradual progression this

1786
01:14:09,830 --> 01:14:07,600
gradual

1787
01:14:11,910 --> 01:14:09,840
increase in sightings what's interesting

1788
01:14:13,750 --> 01:14:11,920
about that is you also look at some of

1789
01:14:16,070 --> 01:14:13,760
the other data like ufo cat

1790
01:14:17,590 --> 01:14:16,080
dr donald johnson with kufos who's

1791
01:14:18,950 --> 01:14:17,600
continuing to work on that by the way he

1792
01:14:19,669 --> 01:14:18,960
just emailed me the other day and he

1793
01:14:21,510 --> 01:14:19,679
said david

1794
01:14:23,669 --> 01:14:21,520
i'm working on the latest version of ufo

1795
01:14:24,950 --> 01:14:23,679
cat which goes back to the 60s dr david

1796
01:14:25,830 --> 01:14:24,960
saunders who was with the continent

1797
01:14:27,830 --> 01:14:25,840
committee

1798
01:14:30,790 --> 01:14:27,840
and he said i've just incorporated about

1799
01:14:31,669 --> 01:14:30,800
248 cases from your book into the latest

1800
01:14:34,390 --> 01:14:31,679
version

1801
01:14:35,350 --> 01:14:34,400
but we see this this almost exponential

1802
01:14:37,270 --> 01:14:35,360
trend

1803
01:14:39,110 --> 01:14:37,280
i'm looking at the great can you just

1804
01:14:41,110 --> 01:14:39,120
just for me hold that up to the camera

1805
01:14:43,350 --> 01:14:41,120
let me look at this

1806
01:14:44,229 --> 01:14:43,360
yeah i would say that that is uh an

1807
01:14:45,510 --> 01:14:44,239
ascending

1808
01:14:47,270 --> 01:14:45,520
pretty good yeah i think that's

1809
01:14:48,709 --> 01:14:47,280
ascending

1810
01:14:50,550 --> 01:14:48,719
and what's interesting about you know

1811
01:14:52,070 --> 01:14:50,560
you'll get different data obviously in

1812
01:14:53,430 --> 01:14:52,080
different statistics depending on the

1813
01:14:55,590 --> 01:14:53,440
areas you pull

1814
01:14:56,870 --> 01:14:55,600
but i think if you do kind of a systemic

1815
01:14:59,350 --> 01:14:56,880
overview

1816
01:15:01,510 --> 01:14:59,360
overall you see this gradual increase in

1817
01:15:04,790 --> 01:15:01,520
triangular ufo sightings now

1818
01:15:06,630 --> 01:15:04,800
i found many from the 1950s 1960s in

1819
01:15:07,110 --> 01:15:06,640
fact just with the latest data that i've

1820
01:15:09,189 --> 01:15:07,120
got

1821
01:15:11,590 --> 01:15:09,199
through kufos and nycap i've been

1822
01:15:13,430 --> 01:15:11,600
finding historical cases going back to

1823
01:15:15,270 --> 01:15:13,440
the 50s and 60s

1824
01:15:17,110 --> 01:15:15,280
not just of triangular ufos and i need

1825
01:15:19,830 --> 01:15:17,120
to be very clear on this

1826
01:15:20,470 --> 01:15:19,840
triangular ufos that are demonstrating

1827
01:15:22,070 --> 01:15:20,480
the same

1828
01:15:24,550 --> 01:15:22,080
flight characteristics and lighting

1829
01:15:27,590 --> 01:15:24,560
patterns that we're hearing about today

1830
01:15:29,430 --> 01:15:27,600
when you look at that it tends to erode

1831
01:15:31,510 --> 01:15:29,440
this pervasive idea that you see

1832
01:15:34,229 --> 01:15:31,520
circulating on the internet that

1833
01:15:34,709 --> 01:15:34,239
these triangular ufos are new which is

1834
01:15:37,830 --> 01:15:34,719
wrong

1835
01:15:39,430 --> 01:15:37,840
that's a false starter sure and that

1836
01:15:42,149 --> 01:15:39,440
they must be military

1837
01:15:43,510 --> 01:15:42,159
well if that's the case then you must

1838
01:15:45,910 --> 01:15:43,520
believe that we've had this advanced

1839
01:15:47,590 --> 01:15:45,920
technology since the 40s 50s which

1840
01:15:48,950 --> 01:15:47,600
personally i have a hard time swallowing

1841
01:15:53,430 --> 01:15:48,960
that pill right

1842
01:15:57,669 --> 01:15:53,440
if you go um historically speaking

1843
01:16:00,470 --> 01:15:57,679
you could almost say that kenneth arnold

1844
01:16:01,830 --> 01:16:00,480
saw a black triangle almost you can

1845
01:16:04,630 --> 01:16:01,840
almost go there

1846
01:16:05,510 --> 01:16:04,640
but if you go what predates kenneth

1847
01:16:07,750 --> 01:16:05,520
arnold

1848
01:16:09,110 --> 01:16:07,760
is the rhodes photographs that were

1849
01:16:11,430 --> 01:16:09,120
taken in phoenix

1850
01:16:12,950 --> 01:16:11,440
yes and the william rhodes photos i

1851
01:16:14,470 --> 01:16:12,960
absolutely love that case i'm so glad

1852
01:16:15,270 --> 01:16:14,480
you bring that up jimmy not many people

1853
01:16:21,430 --> 01:16:15,280
do anymore

1854
01:16:23,270 --> 01:16:21,440
it it should be first in conversation

1855
01:16:24,550 --> 01:16:23,280
that's another one by the way that blue

1856
01:16:27,430 --> 01:16:24,560
book pretty much just

1857
01:16:28,950 --> 01:16:27,440
simply dismissed him as unreliable but

1858
01:16:30,390 --> 01:16:28,960
there was really when you look at the

1859
01:16:33,110 --> 01:16:30,400
the blue book report

1860
01:16:33,990 --> 01:16:33,120
there was nothing to really justify that

1861
01:16:37,189 --> 01:16:34,000
assertion

1862
01:16:39,030 --> 01:16:37,199
and later in years he was involved in a

1863
01:16:40,550 --> 01:16:39,040
lot of scientific development

1864
01:16:42,630 --> 01:16:40,560
there was really nothing that you could

1865
01:16:44,950 --> 01:16:42,640
hang your hat on that would question

1866
01:16:46,470 --> 01:16:44,960
william rhodes and his photos but you

1867
01:16:49,110 --> 01:16:46,480
know the air force investigators just

1868
01:16:50,950 --> 01:16:49,120
summarily brushed him off now

1869
01:16:53,110 --> 01:16:50,960
going back to the rhodes case

1870
01:16:56,470 --> 01:16:53,120
specifically and everybody this happened

1871
01:16:57,590 --> 01:16:56,480
in 1947 before roswell before kenneth

1872
01:17:01,350 --> 01:16:57,600
arnold

1873
01:17:03,030 --> 01:17:01,360
and rhodes uh stepped out i i have the

1874
01:17:05,350 --> 01:17:03,040
facts wrong

1875
01:17:06,630 --> 01:17:05,360
in a general sense this is what happened

1876
01:17:09,510 --> 01:17:06,640
he sees something

1877
01:17:10,470 --> 01:17:09,520
grabs his camera snaps uh a few

1878
01:17:13,990 --> 01:17:10,480
photographs

1879
01:17:16,790 --> 01:17:14,000
of what i i still can't explain

1880
01:17:19,189 --> 01:17:16,800
uh it was like no other aircraft that we

1881
01:17:22,550 --> 01:17:19,199
had in 1947 for sure

1882
01:17:24,229 --> 01:17:22,560
but black triangle a little bit you know

1883
01:17:27,510 --> 01:17:24,239
weird shape in the back

1884
01:17:30,790 --> 01:17:27,520
right but the air force comes out uh

1885
01:17:33,830 --> 01:17:30,800
uh knocks on his door i'm pair i'm i'm

1886
01:17:35,750 --> 01:17:33,840
shortening this the entire story but

1887
01:17:37,510 --> 01:17:35,760
but grabs the photographs grabs the

1888
01:17:40,229 --> 01:17:37,520
negatives and walks away

1889
01:17:41,030 --> 01:17:40,239
leaves him with nothing and then they

1890
01:17:44,070 --> 01:17:41,040
return

1891
01:17:46,390 --> 01:17:44,080
the negatives uh uh sometime later

1892
01:17:47,830 --> 01:17:46,400
a couple of years right was i can't

1893
01:17:48,229 --> 01:17:47,840
remember the time duration there but

1894
01:17:51,270 --> 01:17:48,239
yeah

1895
01:17:53,430 --> 01:17:51,280
it was it was uh they had uh

1896
01:17:54,390 --> 01:17:53,440
his stuff in his possession for a long

1897
01:17:57,510 --> 01:17:54,400
time

1898
01:17:57,990 --> 01:17:57,520
and and he was also ridiculed and teased

1899
01:18:01,110 --> 01:17:58,000
about who

1900
01:18:01,590 --> 01:18:01,120
he was and what he did and and and

1901
01:18:03,510 --> 01:18:01,600
things

1902
01:18:04,790 --> 01:18:03,520
and and tried to kind of kill his

1903
01:18:08,310 --> 01:18:04,800
reputation

1904
01:18:10,470 --> 01:18:08,320
but all of this predated uh uh

1905
01:18:12,790 --> 01:18:10,480
kenneth arnold and of course roswell

1906
01:18:14,870 --> 01:18:12,800
which happened a few months later

1907
01:18:16,470 --> 01:18:14,880
and it's a very strange coincidence

1908
01:18:18,550 --> 01:18:16,480
those photographs

1909
01:18:21,110 --> 01:18:18,560
and and what happened up in washington

1910
01:18:24,310 --> 01:18:21,120
and tacoma and what ended up happening

1911
01:18:26,790 --> 01:18:24,320
in in roswell in july of that year

1912
01:18:28,070 --> 01:18:26,800
uh the raw the rhodes photographs are

1913
01:18:29,910 --> 01:18:28,080
overlooked

1914
01:18:31,669 --> 01:18:29,920
yeah the the rhodes photographs actually

1915
01:18:33,510 --> 01:18:31,679
happened just right after roswell

1916
01:18:35,510 --> 01:18:33,520
oh was that was it after well today it

1917
01:18:35,910 --> 01:18:35,520
was that first week in july it was very

1918
01:18:38,790 --> 01:18:35,920
close

1919
01:18:40,470 --> 01:18:38,800
proximity to one another so it's very

1920
01:18:42,790 --> 01:18:40,480
easy to get those confused

1921
01:18:44,470 --> 01:18:42,800
but what's interesting about that that

1922
01:18:45,510 --> 01:18:44,480
particular series of photos jimmy there

1923
01:18:48,630 --> 01:18:45,520
were two

1924
01:18:50,709 --> 01:18:48,640
uh is the fact that prior to that again

1925
01:18:53,350 --> 01:18:50,719
early years right we're talking very

1926
01:18:55,510 --> 01:18:53,360
beginning of the summer wave of 47.

1927
01:18:56,390 --> 01:18:55,520
those were really some of the first

1928
01:18:59,590 --> 01:18:56,400
structured

1929
01:19:02,310 --> 01:18:59,600
vehicle ufo photos we had

1930
01:19:04,229 --> 01:19:02,320
uh there was a photograph by a coast

1931
01:19:05,590 --> 01:19:04,239
guardsman in washington by the name of

1932
01:19:07,830 --> 01:19:05,600
frank reiman

1933
01:19:09,110 --> 01:19:07,840
who posted a photo but it was just a

1934
01:19:11,510 --> 01:19:09,120
simple light

1935
01:19:14,390 --> 01:19:11,520
so it was one of the early ufo photos

1936
01:19:17,430 --> 01:19:14,400
but early ufo photos of a daytime

1937
01:19:18,870 --> 01:19:17,440
structured object so it's very important

1938
01:19:21,270 --> 01:19:18,880
in that sense

1939
01:19:23,189 --> 01:19:21,280
i'm gonna post a picture really quick so

1940
01:19:26,709 --> 01:19:23,199
everybody can understand

1941
01:19:29,110 --> 01:19:26,719
uh what we're talking about and it's a

1942
01:19:29,750 --> 01:19:29,120
it's a very very interesting photograph

1943
01:19:33,830 --> 01:19:29,760
i i

1944
01:19:35,030 --> 01:19:33,840
if if that was seen today um

1945
01:19:36,950 --> 01:19:35,040
i would say that that would be

1946
01:19:38,149 --> 01:19:36,960
classified as a black triangle

1947
01:19:39,910 --> 01:19:38,159
yeah i've always found that photo

1948
01:19:40,790 --> 01:19:39,920
compelling uh those two photos

1949
01:19:43,189 --> 01:19:40,800
compelling so

1950
01:19:44,709 --> 01:19:43,199
i'm really glad you you resurrected that

1951
01:19:46,630 --> 01:19:44,719
in the minds of many people

1952
01:19:47,830 --> 01:19:46,640
and uh let me get this up really quick

1953
01:19:51,390 --> 01:19:47,840
for everybody the

1954
01:19:54,630 --> 01:19:51,400
the roads ufo

1955
01:19:57,990 --> 01:19:54,640
1947 and uh i'm

1956
01:20:00,229 --> 01:19:58,000
popping this up so i you know what i

1957
01:20:02,790 --> 01:20:00,239
like doing this live on the air

1958
01:20:04,550 --> 01:20:02,800
because everybody can understand this is

1959
01:20:08,470 --> 01:20:04,560
not taped

1960
01:20:12,229 --> 01:20:08,480
new new this is all going down

1961
01:20:13,350 --> 01:20:12,239
live so uh here you go everybody did i

1962
01:20:18,390 --> 01:20:13,360
did i grab it

1963
01:20:25,750 --> 01:20:18,400
it's not here come on come on let me try

1964
01:20:33,430 --> 01:20:28,870
oh it is

1965
01:20:35,990 --> 01:20:33,440
saying that this is not

1966
01:20:37,590 --> 01:20:36,000
you know what i do i cheat with

1967
01:20:40,709 --> 01:20:37,600
everything

1968
01:20:41,910 --> 01:20:40,719
i no um when you grab stuff off of the

1969
01:20:45,270 --> 01:20:41,920
web

1970
01:20:48,390 --> 01:20:45,280
it'll have a different file extension

1971
01:20:50,149 --> 01:20:48,400
and i turn around and change it but nah

1972
01:20:52,470 --> 01:20:50,159
this is not working

1973
01:20:54,229 --> 01:20:52,480
okay i'll leave it up to twitter to post

1974
01:20:57,270 --> 01:20:54,239
uh

1975
01:21:00,310 --> 01:20:57,280
i've tried enough times okay um

1976
01:21:02,550 --> 01:21:00,320
now when we're talking about

1977
01:21:03,350 --> 01:21:02,560
i want to get to 60 minutes in just a

1978
01:21:06,550 --> 01:21:03,360
second

1979
01:21:10,149 --> 01:21:06,560
sure um i'm sure you were interested in

1980
01:21:13,990 --> 01:21:10,159
the jeremy corbell leaked video

1981
01:21:16,149 --> 01:21:14,000
of the flying toasters flying pyramids

1982
01:21:18,070 --> 01:21:16,159
flying pyramids let's go with pyramids

1983
01:21:20,870 --> 01:21:18,080
sure uh

1984
01:21:21,270 --> 01:21:20,880
okay you've been doing this for a long

1985
01:21:24,550 --> 01:21:21,280
time

1986
01:21:27,669 --> 01:21:24,560
when you first put your eyes on that

1987
01:21:29,830 --> 01:21:27,679
video what did you think

1988
01:21:32,310 --> 01:21:29,840
well obviously i was compelled by it

1989
01:21:33,030 --> 01:21:32,320
because it seemed to depict a triangular

1990
01:21:35,189 --> 01:21:33,040
object

1991
01:21:37,350 --> 01:21:35,199
uh you know i know corbell has

1992
01:21:39,270 --> 01:21:37,360
referenced them being pyramidal but

1993
01:21:40,790 --> 01:21:39,280
what i see is a triangular object i

1994
01:21:43,990 --> 01:21:40,800
don't see a three-dimensional

1995
01:21:44,950 --> 01:21:44,000
triangular object but on second and

1996
01:21:47,510 --> 01:21:44,960
third review

1997
01:21:48,470 --> 01:21:47,520
and subsequent reviews after that i have

1998
01:21:52,149 --> 01:21:48,480
to tell you of

1999
01:21:55,270 --> 01:21:52,159
all the quote unquote leaked dod videos

2000
01:21:56,310 --> 01:21:55,280
i'm least impressed by that one there is

2001
01:21:59,189 --> 01:21:56,320
uh okay

2002
01:22:00,149 --> 01:21:59,199
let me continue the line of questioning

2003
01:22:03,350 --> 01:22:00,159
um

2004
01:22:07,189 --> 01:22:03,360
i'm surprised by your answer but

2005
01:22:10,390 --> 01:22:07,199
but um okay there's a

2006
01:22:11,270 --> 01:22:10,400
there's like 30 or 40 other triangular

2007
01:22:13,830 --> 01:22:11,280
anomalies

2008
01:22:15,110 --> 01:22:13,840
in that video which i have a problem

2009
01:22:18,149 --> 01:22:15,120
with right

2010
01:22:20,149 --> 01:22:18,159
okay so what was your assessment well

2011
01:22:21,830 --> 01:22:20,159
i well i don't want to say my my

2012
01:22:23,430 --> 01:22:21,840
personal assessment and it's based on

2013
01:22:25,189 --> 01:22:23,440
the work of other people who have posted

2014
01:22:27,669 --> 01:22:25,199
this online who have done a really good

2015
01:22:29,669 --> 01:22:27,679
job of dissecting this one i believe

2016
01:22:31,030 --> 01:22:29,679
when you look to your point jimmy i'm

2017
01:22:33,350 --> 01:22:31,040
glad you brought this up

2018
01:22:34,070 --> 01:22:33,360
when you look at the individual light

2019
01:22:36,229 --> 01:22:34,080
sources

2020
01:22:37,430 --> 01:22:36,239
captured in that short little video

2021
01:22:41,910 --> 01:22:37,440
sequence

2022
01:22:43,750 --> 01:22:41,920
they all take on a triangular appearance

2023
01:22:46,470 --> 01:22:43,760
that is immediately suspect when it

2024
01:22:48,470 --> 01:22:46,480
comes to any ufo video

2025
01:22:49,910 --> 01:22:48,480
and now i am not a photographic or video

2026
01:22:51,750 --> 01:22:49,920
expert i've said that on many

2027
01:22:53,669 --> 01:22:51,760
interviews and i usually solicit the

2028
01:22:56,950 --> 01:22:53,679
input from those individuals

2029
01:22:59,110 --> 01:22:56,960
but that being said when you see

2030
01:23:01,430 --> 01:22:59,120
all of the light sources taking on the

2031
01:23:05,030 --> 01:23:01,440
same triangular appearance it is

2032
01:23:07,270 --> 01:23:05,040
suggestive not conclusive but suggestive

2033
01:23:09,110 --> 01:23:07,280
there's a common denominator and i

2034
01:23:10,310 --> 01:23:09,120
believe the common denominator is the

2035
01:23:12,550 --> 01:23:10,320
aperture

2036
01:23:13,910 --> 01:23:12,560
of the camera in other words there's a

2037
01:23:16,149 --> 01:23:13,920
bokeh lens

2038
01:23:18,310 --> 01:23:16,159
which is a triangular aperture if you

2039
01:23:19,510 --> 01:23:18,320
take any light source or sources and

2040
01:23:22,070 --> 01:23:19,520
take it out of focus

2041
01:23:23,830 --> 01:23:22,080
it will take on the shape of the

2042
01:23:25,510 --> 01:23:23,840
aperture of the camera

2043
01:23:27,350 --> 01:23:25,520
for those that have been in ufos for a

2044
01:23:27,830 --> 01:23:27,360
long time like yourself and myself we

2045
01:23:30,470 --> 01:23:27,840
remember

2046
01:23:32,390 --> 01:23:30,480
all the ubiquitous ufo videos from the

2047
01:23:34,629 --> 01:23:32,400
1980s and 90s

2048
01:23:36,310 --> 01:23:34,639
they all look took on this like batman

2049
01:23:38,550 --> 01:23:36,320
shape appearance

2050
01:23:40,790 --> 01:23:38,560
that was a characteristic of the limbs

2051
01:23:41,910 --> 01:23:40,800
associated with the vhs camcorders of

2052
01:23:44,790 --> 01:23:41,920
the time

2053
01:23:45,590 --> 01:23:44,800
it's simply an out-of-focus light source

2054
01:23:47,750 --> 01:23:45,600
and

2055
01:23:49,350 --> 01:23:47,760
in in the absence of focusing on the

2056
01:23:52,390 --> 01:23:49,360
light it takes on

2057
01:23:54,229 --> 01:23:52,400
the image of the aperture of the camera

2058
01:23:56,070 --> 01:23:54,239
so i'm immediately suspect with regard

2059
01:23:58,709 --> 01:23:56,080
to that in addition

2060
01:23:59,590 --> 01:23:58,719
unlike some of the other dod videos we

2061
01:24:04,709 --> 01:23:59,600
don't see

2062
01:24:07,350 --> 01:24:04,719
anomalous behavior

2063
01:24:08,950 --> 01:24:07,360
in fact i would argue and you know if

2064
01:24:09,910 --> 01:24:08,960
someone can prove me wrong i'm happy to

2065
01:24:12,310 --> 01:24:09,920
accept that

2066
01:24:14,550 --> 01:24:12,320
i would argue the main tri quote-unquote

2067
01:24:18,310 --> 01:24:14,560
triangular object that you see

2068
01:24:20,550 --> 01:24:18,320
seems to show conventional strobe lights

2069
01:24:22,709 --> 01:24:20,560
and i question is that a conventional

2070
01:24:24,470 --> 01:24:22,719
military or commercial aircraft probably

2071
01:24:26,550 --> 01:24:24,480
military aircraft because it wasn't a

2072
01:24:30,550 --> 01:24:26,560
military operations area

2073
01:24:32,310 --> 01:24:30,560
but i do question uh that particular

2074
01:24:34,950 --> 01:24:32,320
video more so than any other

2075
01:24:35,430 --> 01:24:34,960
now i will take issue also with corbell

2076
01:24:37,910 --> 01:24:35,440
on

2077
01:24:38,950 --> 01:24:37,920
many statements he made publicly he says

2078
01:24:42,229 --> 01:24:38,960
this is the best

2079
01:24:43,750 --> 01:24:42,239
dod video we have to date regarding uaps

2080
01:24:45,430 --> 01:24:43,760
or ufos

2081
01:24:46,870 --> 01:24:45,440
i completely disagree with that

2082
01:24:49,110 --> 01:24:46,880
statement and no offense to jeremy

2083
01:24:49,910 --> 01:24:49,120
corbell he's not a ufo researcher he's a

2084
01:24:51,510 --> 01:24:49,920
film producer

2085
01:24:53,669 --> 01:24:51,520
he's a good hype man he's a good heist

2086
01:24:56,790 --> 01:24:53,679
he's a great he's a great hype man yes

2087
01:24:58,070 --> 01:24:56,800
but you know he with you know

2088
01:25:01,350 --> 01:24:58,080
professional respect

2089
01:25:02,390 --> 01:25:01,360
in place i have to say night vision gear

2090
01:25:05,750 --> 01:25:02,400
which is simply light

2091
01:25:07,910 --> 01:25:05,760
amplification imagery immediately takes

2092
01:25:09,830 --> 01:25:07,920
takes on a granular quality you don't

2093
01:25:12,550 --> 01:25:09,840
have high resolution

2094
01:25:13,590 --> 01:25:12,560
and i say that also compared to the

2095
01:25:18,470 --> 01:25:13,600
flear

2096
01:25:20,790 --> 01:25:18,480
forward-looking infrared

2097
01:25:22,070 --> 01:25:20,800
we can see heat signatures emanating

2098
01:25:25,110 --> 01:25:22,080
from the objects or

2099
01:25:27,270 --> 01:25:25,120
as you know jimmy lack thereof so

2100
01:25:28,470 --> 01:25:27,280
if we were looking at an f-16 we could

2101
01:25:31,030 --> 01:25:28,480
see the afterburners

2102
01:25:31,669 --> 01:25:31,040
clear as day and an infrared image we

2103
01:25:34,870 --> 01:25:31,679
don't see

2104
01:25:37,430 --> 01:25:34,880
any heat signatures specific to anything

2105
01:25:37,910 --> 01:25:37,440
indicating propulsion regarding the

2106
01:25:40,629 --> 01:25:37,920
flear

2107
01:25:42,470 --> 01:25:40,639
imagery so for corbell to say that this

2108
01:25:43,270 --> 01:25:42,480
is the best imagery we have and it's

2109
01:25:46,070 --> 01:25:43,280
night vision

2110
01:25:47,990 --> 01:25:46,080
night light amplification i disagree

2111
01:25:49,669 --> 01:25:48,000
with that i think the fleer imagery we

2112
01:25:51,590 --> 01:25:49,679
have is the most compelling

2113
01:25:53,990 --> 01:25:51,600
because it gives us insight into

2114
01:25:54,629 --> 01:25:54,000
possible propulsion technology or lack

2115
01:25:57,669 --> 01:25:54,639
thereof

2116
01:26:01,350 --> 01:25:57,679
but aren't you comforted in

2117
01:26:02,629 --> 01:26:01,360
knowing that the anunnaki are faa

2118
01:26:05,750 --> 01:26:02,639
compliant now

2119
01:26:07,189 --> 01:26:05,760
with their with their strobe lights

2120
01:26:09,110 --> 01:26:07,199
well yeah they don't have to worry about

2121
01:26:10,550 --> 01:26:09,120
being fined uh by the faa

2122
01:26:12,390 --> 01:26:10,560
yeah that's that's for sure i mean

2123
01:26:14,870 --> 01:26:12,400
they're letting us know where they are

2124
01:26:16,390 --> 01:26:14,880
you know but you know let me play

2125
01:26:17,270 --> 01:26:16,400
devil's advocate for a moment for you

2126
01:26:19,990 --> 01:26:17,280
and the audience

2127
01:26:20,629 --> 01:26:20,000
sure if we are all honest with each

2128
01:26:22,950 --> 01:26:20,639
other

2129
01:26:24,709 --> 01:26:22,960
with regard to all of these you know

2130
01:26:25,990 --> 01:26:24,719
quote unquote dod videos that have been

2131
01:26:29,270 --> 01:26:26,000
released

2132
01:26:29,990 --> 01:26:29,280
we don't have insights into the analysis

2133
01:26:31,830 --> 01:26:30,000
we don't have

2134
01:26:34,709 --> 01:26:31,840
insights into the surrounding

2135
01:26:37,750 --> 01:26:34,719
documentation pertaining to these videos

2136
01:26:39,590 --> 01:26:37,760
i will go on record today and state all

2137
01:26:40,550 --> 01:26:39,600
of the dod videos whether it's the

2138
01:26:43,030 --> 01:26:40,560
gimbal the go

2139
01:26:44,709 --> 01:26:43,040
fast the tic tac they're all

2140
01:26:46,149 --> 01:26:44,719
unidentified that's all we can say at

2141
01:26:49,830 --> 01:26:46,159
this point

2142
01:26:53,750 --> 01:26:49,840
the uh the coverage

2143
01:26:57,270 --> 01:26:53,760
has been uap

2144
01:27:01,189 --> 01:26:57,280
right those three letters

2145
01:27:05,910 --> 01:27:01,199
why do you think the change

2146
01:27:07,990 --> 01:27:05,920
in you know going from ufo to uap

2147
01:27:10,229 --> 01:27:08,000
because with pop culture with the rest

2148
01:27:12,310 --> 01:27:10,239
of the world ufo

2149
01:27:14,550 --> 01:27:12,320
means one thing it means little green

2150
01:27:16,709 --> 01:27:14,560
men flying saucers not of this earth

2151
01:27:19,430 --> 01:27:16,719
interstellar

2152
01:27:20,229 --> 01:27:19,440
unidentified flying object that's fine

2153
01:27:24,229 --> 01:27:20,239
ufo

2154
01:27:28,950 --> 01:27:24,239
means

2155
01:27:30,470 --> 01:27:28,960
it you know i think they did it for two

2156
01:27:31,110 --> 01:27:30,480
reasons one is to get away from the

2157
01:27:33,510 --> 01:27:31,120
stigma

2158
01:27:35,910 --> 01:27:33,520
that's associated with the acronym ufo

2159
01:27:37,830 --> 01:27:35,920
right but also i think it was by design

2160
01:27:39,669 --> 01:27:37,840
and i believe maybe even lou elizondo

2161
01:27:42,149 --> 01:27:39,679
has referenced this i can't recall

2162
01:27:42,870 --> 01:27:42,159
but i think part of it was a deliberate

2163
01:27:44,629 --> 01:27:42,880
strategy

2164
01:27:45,910 --> 01:27:44,639
in other words you know you have great

2165
01:27:47,590 --> 01:27:45,920
researchers out there like john

2166
01:27:49,110 --> 01:27:47,600
greenwald and others following foia

2167
01:27:51,830 --> 01:27:49,120
requests well if you're asking for any

2168
01:27:53,590 --> 01:27:51,840
government documents pertaining to ufos

2169
01:27:55,669 --> 01:27:53,600
if you're calling them uaps it's not

2170
01:27:58,470 --> 01:27:55,679
going to be a blip on the radar

2171
01:28:00,550 --> 01:27:58,480
so by changing the name of the

2172
01:28:02,709 --> 01:28:00,560
phenomenon to uap

2173
01:28:05,750 --> 01:28:02,719
it makes it almost impossible at least

2174
01:28:07,669 --> 01:28:05,760
prior to december 2017 when we

2175
01:28:09,750 --> 01:28:07,679
publicly realized that's what they were

2176
01:28:11,110 --> 01:28:09,760
calling them if we were filing foia

2177
01:28:13,030 --> 01:28:11,120
requests we would have still been filing

2178
01:28:16,790 --> 01:28:13,040
foia requests for ufo

2179
01:28:17,669 --> 01:28:16,800
reports and so by calling them uap it's

2180
01:28:19,830 --> 01:28:17,679
circumvented

2181
01:28:20,709 --> 01:28:19,840
any type of public acknowledgement or

2182
01:28:22,310 --> 01:28:20,719
recognition

2183
01:28:23,750 --> 01:28:22,320
if you're filing for you you know

2184
01:28:24,790 --> 01:28:23,760
because again foia requests are very

2185
01:28:26,229 --> 01:28:24,800
specific

2186
01:28:28,550 --> 01:28:26,239
and if you're asking for ufos they're

2187
01:28:31,030 --> 01:28:28,560
going to do a search query for ufo

2188
01:28:32,390 --> 01:28:31,040
uap ain't going to come up on the radar

2189
01:28:36,070 --> 01:28:32,400
well okay

2190
01:28:37,830 --> 01:28:36,080
fair enough but you have a research

2191
01:28:41,350 --> 01:28:37,840
library there

2192
01:28:43,030 --> 01:28:41,360
are you going to call it a uap research

2193
01:28:44,790 --> 01:28:43,040
library

2194
01:28:47,830 --> 01:28:44,800
i was just chatting with george knapp a

2195
01:28:49,430 --> 01:28:47,840
few weeks ago and i i kept going ufo uap

2196
01:28:50,950 --> 01:28:49,440
and i kept correcting myself i said i'm

2197
01:28:52,709 --> 01:28:50,960
sorry george i said i've been doing this

2198
01:28:53,669 --> 01:28:52,719
31 years i'm old school i still call

2199
01:28:55,990 --> 01:28:53,679
them ufos

2200
01:28:56,709 --> 01:28:56,000
no fair enough fair enough that's it

2201
01:28:58,629 --> 01:28:56,719
that's it i

2202
01:29:00,070 --> 01:28:58,639
i mentioned that last night on the show

2203
01:29:02,310 --> 01:29:00,080
i'm still a ufo guy

2204
01:29:04,950 --> 01:29:02,320
i'm going old school our guest tonight

2205
01:29:06,950 --> 01:29:04,960
is david marlar we've got a lot to go

2206
01:29:08,550 --> 01:29:06,960
over tonight great conversation so far

2207
01:29:09,270 --> 01:29:08,560
this is fade to black i'm real jimmy

2208
01:29:10,709 --> 01:29:09,280
church

2209
01:29:30,870 --> 01:29:10,719
more with david after this short break

2210
01:29:37,110 --> 01:29:33,990
way out here we listen to jimmy church

2211
01:29:38,950 --> 01:29:37,120
you're listening to fade to black

2212
01:29:40,149 --> 01:29:38,960
always on the edge of the hottest

2213
01:29:47,700 --> 01:29:40,159
alternative talk

2214
01:29:58,950 --> 01:29:50,830
[Applause]

2215
01:30:03,030 --> 01:30:01,030
do you want to be an official fate or

2216
01:30:05,110 --> 01:30:03,040
not of course you do

2217
01:30:06,629 --> 01:30:05,120
this is jimmy churchill fade to black

2218
01:30:10,390 --> 01:30:06,639
just go to our membership

2219
01:30:12,629 --> 01:30:10,400
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2220
01:30:14,470 --> 01:30:12,639
this is jimmy church and i'll be at the

2221
01:30:17,669 --> 01:30:14,480
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2224
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2225
01:30:27,350 --> 01:30:24,080
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2226
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2227
01:30:32,070 --> 01:30:29,440
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2228
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specializes in bringing you new people

2229
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2230
01:30:37,189 --> 01:30:35,199
all of this

2231
01:30:39,270 --> 01:30:37,199
is offered at prices so low you can

2232
01:30:42,390 --> 01:30:39,280
actually afford to be there

2233
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for instance seven night hotel packages

2234
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one or two people start at just 320

2235
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jimmy church

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not be televised

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[Music]

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all right welcome back fade to black i

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am your host jimmy church tonight david

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marlar is here yeah i slapped my biceps

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01:34:09,830 --> 01:34:08,239
you just seen david laughing it's time

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01:34:10,870 --> 01:34:09,840
to put the guns on man we got to put the

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gloves on and

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and get ready um david i i just want to

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01:34:19,270 --> 01:34:16,639
go straight at this

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01:34:20,229 --> 01:34:19,280
and and and not play around and which is

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01:34:22,709 --> 01:34:20,239
this

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01:34:23,830 --> 01:34:22,719
sunday night was a big event 60 minutes

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01:34:26,550 --> 01:34:23,840
it played up

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01:34:26,950 --> 01:34:26,560
social media it was all go time i was

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01:34:29,189 --> 01:34:26,960
there

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01:34:30,709 --> 01:34:29,199
had my popcorn i'm not playing man i was

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01:34:33,910 --> 01:34:30,719
ready

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01:34:37,590 --> 01:34:33,920
and i know you did the same thing so

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01:34:38,629 --> 01:34:37,600
um what did you expect beforehand i want

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01:34:41,750 --> 01:34:38,639
to say that first

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01:34:43,270 --> 01:34:41,760
what where were your expectations my

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01:34:45,030 --> 01:34:43,280
expectations were

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01:34:46,390 --> 01:34:45,040
pretty much exactly what we were dished

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01:34:48,149 --> 01:34:46,400
out in other words i don't think that

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01:34:50,950 --> 01:34:48,159
the ufo community

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01:34:51,830 --> 01:34:50,960
was going to hear anything new but that

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01:34:54,070 --> 01:34:51,840
being said

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01:34:55,510 --> 01:34:54,080
and i i have to emphasize this that

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01:34:57,910 --> 01:34:55,520
being said

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01:34:59,669 --> 01:34:57,920
despite a lot of negative comments on

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01:35:01,510 --> 01:34:59,679
social media and elsewhere within the

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01:35:03,830 --> 01:35:01,520
ufo community

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01:35:04,550 --> 01:35:03,840
my attitude is this segment was not for

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01:35:07,510 --> 01:35:04,560
us

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01:35:08,629 --> 01:35:07,520
this segment was for the general public

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01:35:11,510 --> 01:35:08,639
in other words

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01:35:13,510 --> 01:35:11,520
we're doggedly following this story

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01:35:15,189 --> 01:35:13,520
right since the december 2017 new york

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01:35:16,790 --> 01:35:15,199
times article and all the successive

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01:35:19,510 --> 01:35:16,800
revelations that have come out

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01:35:20,790 --> 01:35:19,520
sure but we have to realize it's not

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01:35:22,629 --> 01:35:20,800
just about us

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01:35:24,790 --> 01:35:22,639
if we're going to budge the needle with

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01:35:25,669 --> 01:35:24,800
regard to respectability with regard to

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01:35:27,910 --> 01:35:25,679
the subject

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01:35:29,350 --> 01:35:27,920
if we're going to erode that stigma

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01:35:31,030 --> 01:35:29,360
associated with the subject

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01:35:32,550 --> 01:35:31,040
it doesn't have to be in our eyes it has

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01:35:34,870 --> 01:35:32,560
to be in the eyes of the general public

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01:35:37,510 --> 01:35:34,880
and i think the 60 minutes

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01:35:39,189 --> 01:35:37,520
news segment did that you have to

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01:35:41,109 --> 01:35:39,199
realize most people that watch that

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01:35:43,510 --> 01:35:41,119
probably would never give the time of

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01:35:45,590 --> 01:35:43,520
day to the ufo subject and

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01:35:47,030 --> 01:35:45,600
other than robert bigelow being

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01:35:49,750 --> 01:35:47,040
interviewed by 60 minutes

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01:35:52,629 --> 01:35:49,760
jimmy in my memory i don't ever remember

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01:35:55,030 --> 01:35:52,639
60 minutes touching the ufo subject

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01:35:55,990 --> 01:35:55,040
and so i think it was a game changing

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01:35:57,830 --> 01:35:56,000
moment as it

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01:35:59,109 --> 01:35:57,840
relates to the general public's

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01:36:02,550 --> 01:35:59,119
education

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01:36:06,390 --> 01:36:02,560
on the subject i would argue that it

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01:36:10,390 --> 01:36:06,400
could have been game-changing

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01:36:12,870 --> 01:36:10,400
and in that i i think that cbs

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01:36:13,830 --> 01:36:12,880
missed the mark and i think they did it

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01:36:16,950 --> 01:36:13,840
intentionally

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01:36:17,270 --> 01:36:16,960
now let me let me back up sure don't you

2357
01:36:20,870 --> 01:36:17,280
think

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01:36:24,870 --> 01:36:20,880
we keep going back to ufo versus uap

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01:36:28,390 --> 01:36:24,880
had cbs had ufo

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01:36:31,270 --> 01:36:28,400
in the background right the

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01:36:33,109 --> 01:36:31,280
the the world would have understood what

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01:36:36,390 --> 01:36:33,119
they were talking about

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01:36:39,590 --> 01:36:36,400
right but instead it was uaps

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01:36:41,590 --> 01:36:39,600
and they didn't take that opportunity

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01:36:44,950 --> 01:36:41,600
i'm talking about cbs

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01:36:46,870 --> 01:36:44,960
to explain what a uap even is

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01:36:49,910 --> 01:36:46,880
yeah well i do believe at one point the

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01:36:52,950 --> 01:36:49,920
moderator did say so we're talking ufos

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01:36:54,229 --> 01:36:52,960
only once yes yes only once in the

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01:36:57,270 --> 01:36:54,239
beginning

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01:36:59,350 --> 01:36:57,280
exactly exactly and then uap was kind of

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01:37:02,870 --> 01:36:59,360
the nomenclature moving forward

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01:37:04,149 --> 01:37:02,880
but uh i still think it it resonated

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01:37:07,030 --> 01:37:04,159
with the general public

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01:37:09,430 --> 01:37:07,040
and i say that because i just saw on

2376
01:37:12,629 --> 01:37:09,440
social media just today that bbc

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01:37:15,910 --> 01:37:12,639
two ran a serious news piece on

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01:37:18,870 --> 01:37:15,920
uap's ufos and the

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01:37:20,709 --> 01:37:18,880
researcher from the uk stated up until

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01:37:24,310 --> 01:37:20,719
this point we've been waiting

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01:37:26,390 --> 01:37:24,320
for the you know the british media

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01:37:28,149 --> 01:37:26,400
to get with the story and to start

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01:37:29,910 --> 01:37:28,159
talking about it so

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01:37:31,990 --> 01:37:29,920
i think it's going to be baby steps i

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01:37:35,270 --> 01:37:32,000
know you know we all have this you know

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01:37:38,310 --> 01:37:35,280
enthusiasm to see the story really just

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01:37:40,310 --> 01:37:38,320
be mainstream and i think it is but it's

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01:37:41,669 --> 01:37:40,320
in baby steps slowly but surely we're

2389
01:37:44,550 --> 01:37:41,679
starting to see that that

2390
01:37:45,750 --> 01:37:44,560
uh you know stigma erode with regard to

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01:37:48,629 --> 01:37:45,760
the ufo subject

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01:37:49,350 --> 01:37:48,639
whether you call it uap ufo and i say

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01:37:52,550 --> 01:37:49,360
that because

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01:37:53,910 --> 01:37:52,560
in 1990 i never thought we would be

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01:37:56,149 --> 01:37:53,920
where we are today

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01:37:58,310 --> 01:37:56,159
and you know maybe for people that are

2397
01:37:59,750 --> 01:37:58,320
relatively new to the ufo subject circa

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01:38:01,910 --> 01:37:59,760
2017

2399
01:38:02,870 --> 01:38:01,920
this might not seem like much but i'm

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01:38:04,870 --> 01:38:02,880
here to tell you

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01:38:07,030 --> 01:38:04,880
when you're talking to researchers back

2402
01:38:08,790 --> 01:38:07,040
in the 70s and the 80s

2403
01:38:10,229 --> 01:38:08,800
they never thought we would get to this

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01:38:13,270 --> 01:38:10,239
point because back then

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01:38:15,270 --> 01:38:13,280
it was constant denial denial

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01:38:16,950 --> 01:38:15,280
denial there's nothing to the ufo

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01:38:18,070 --> 01:38:16,960
subject it's not a threat to national

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01:38:21,109 --> 01:38:18,080
security

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01:38:22,390 --> 01:38:21,119
and jimmy the revelations we've had in

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01:38:25,669 --> 01:38:22,400
the last two to three years

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01:38:27,270 --> 01:38:25,679
are completely 180 to that they are

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01:38:28,870 --> 01:38:27,280
acknowledging the phenomenon is real

2413
01:38:31,510 --> 01:38:28,880
they're acknowledging it's a

2414
01:38:32,629 --> 01:38:31,520
key word here potential threat to

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01:38:35,030 --> 01:38:32,639
national security

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01:38:35,990 --> 01:38:35,040
now let's let's stay right there for a

2417
01:38:39,510 --> 01:38:36,000
second david

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01:38:43,109 --> 01:38:39,520
um there is

2419
01:38:46,629 --> 01:38:43,119
a spin that is obvious

2420
01:38:47,189 --> 01:38:46,639
about this threat which what goes with

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01:38:51,590 --> 01:38:47,199
threat

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01:38:54,229 --> 01:38:51,600
you have fear and that spin has been put

2423
01:38:57,750 --> 01:38:54,239
on this now as far as i know

2424
01:39:00,790 --> 01:38:57,760
now i'm just speaking sure

2425
01:39:04,950 --> 01:39:00,800
i haven't seen any ufo videos

2426
01:39:06,629 --> 01:39:04,960
uap videos of photon cannons

2427
01:39:08,310 --> 01:39:06,639
shooting planes out of the sky

2428
01:39:10,149 --> 01:39:08,320
commercial or military

2429
01:39:12,070 --> 01:39:10,159
no and that's a great point you bring up

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01:39:13,350 --> 01:39:12,080
jimmy but i think what we have to do is

2431
01:39:15,669 --> 01:39:13,360
we have to appreciate

2432
01:39:17,590 --> 01:39:15,679
where the news is coming from you know

2433
01:39:18,950 --> 01:39:17,600
we're getting information from people

2434
01:39:20,790 --> 01:39:18,960
like chris mellon

2435
01:39:22,390 --> 01:39:20,800
we're getting people information from

2436
01:39:25,189 --> 01:39:22,400
people like louis lozando

2437
01:39:25,669 --> 01:39:25,199
we're getting information through dod

2438
01:39:29,669 --> 01:39:25,679
and

2439
01:39:30,550 --> 01:39:29,679
former dod sources these people are

2440
01:39:32,790 --> 01:39:30,560
hardwired

2441
01:39:35,270 --> 01:39:32,800
it's their job to look at everything

2442
01:39:37,430 --> 01:39:35,280
through the lens of national security

2443
01:39:39,350 --> 01:39:37,440
and not to say that it is a threat and

2444
01:39:43,270 --> 01:39:39,360
that's why i said i was very careful

2445
01:39:45,990 --> 01:39:43,280
the potential threat if you have objects

2446
01:39:46,950 --> 01:39:46,000
that can fly rings around your latest

2447
01:39:49,910 --> 01:39:46,960
aircraft

2448
01:39:50,709 --> 01:39:49,920
if it is entering restricted military

2449
01:39:53,830 --> 01:39:50,719
airspace

2450
01:39:54,790 --> 01:39:53,840
near sensitive military assets we don't

2451
01:39:56,390 --> 01:39:54,800
know where it's from

2452
01:39:58,629 --> 01:39:56,400
we don't know why it's here we don't

2453
01:40:00,950 --> 01:39:58,639
know what it's going to do

2454
01:40:01,750 --> 01:40:00,960
those people and we pay our tax dollars

2455
01:40:04,229 --> 01:40:01,760
to these people

2456
01:40:05,510 --> 01:40:04,239
those people are tasked with the defense

2457
01:40:08,870 --> 01:40:05,520
of our country

2458
01:40:09,189 --> 01:40:08,880
and so not saying it's a threat but it

2459
01:40:13,350 --> 01:40:09,199
is

2460
01:40:15,109 --> 01:40:13,360
that it does seem to demonstrate

2461
01:40:18,470 --> 01:40:15,119
superiority to our

2462
01:40:21,910 --> 01:40:18,480
most modern aircraft and defense systems

2463
01:40:23,669 --> 01:40:21,920
and and help me understand uh when you

2464
01:40:27,109 --> 01:40:23,679
say that

2465
01:40:30,149 --> 01:40:27,119
what demonstrates uh to you air

2466
01:40:33,189 --> 01:40:30,159
superiority where this is

2467
01:40:34,229 --> 01:40:33,199
something that now if look if it's

2468
01:40:38,470 --> 01:40:34,239
otherworldly

2469
01:40:41,510 --> 01:40:38,480
if it's et and they can get here

2470
01:40:42,950 --> 01:40:41,520
they're superior to us absolutely

2471
01:40:44,390 --> 01:40:42,960
there's no question i'm not going to

2472
01:40:45,350 --> 01:40:44,400
argue that point that's not even a

2473
01:40:48,310 --> 01:40:45,360
question no it's not

2474
01:40:49,350 --> 01:40:48,320
it's not a question but what

2475
01:40:52,870 --> 01:40:49,360
demonstrates

2476
01:40:54,390 --> 01:40:52,880
superiority to you well

2477
01:40:56,310 --> 01:40:54,400
not so much to me but you know i'll

2478
01:40:58,229 --> 01:40:56,320
defer to the the naval pilots

2479
01:41:00,390 --> 01:40:58,239
right is it their testimony right

2480
01:41:02,870 --> 01:41:00,400
absolutely i you know again i go to the

2481
01:41:03,669 --> 01:41:02,880
experts i i trust their testimony their

2482
01:41:05,430 --> 01:41:03,679
judgment

2483
01:41:07,270 --> 01:41:05,440
the the fact that this object can hover

2484
01:41:10,550 --> 01:41:07,280
for extended periods of time

2485
01:41:11,510 --> 01:41:10,560
completely do a 180 as he said on his

2486
01:41:14,070 --> 01:41:11,520
interview

2487
01:41:15,270 --> 01:41:14,080
and immediately suddenly accelerate they

2488
01:41:17,109 --> 01:41:15,280
can go from

2489
01:41:18,550 --> 01:41:17,119
based on the aegis radar systems not

2490
01:41:20,070 --> 01:41:18,560
eyewitness testimony and i want to talk

2491
01:41:21,590 --> 01:41:20,080
about that in a little bit

2492
01:41:23,189 --> 01:41:21,600
where they had multiple objects they

2493
01:41:24,870 --> 01:41:23,199
were tracking on aegis radar systems

2494
01:41:28,149 --> 01:41:24,880
that went from 80 000

2495
01:41:30,550 --> 01:41:28,159
feet altitude elevation down to almost

2496
01:41:32,149 --> 01:41:30,560
you know ground level in the matter of

2497
01:41:34,550 --> 01:41:32,159
one to two seconds

2498
01:41:35,350 --> 01:41:34,560
we can't do that the ability for these

2499
01:41:37,510 --> 01:41:35,360
things to go

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01:41:39,590 --> 01:41:37,520
supersonic without generating a sonic

2501
01:41:41,590 --> 01:41:39,600
boom which has been demonstrated time

2502
01:41:44,310 --> 01:41:41,600
and time again by ufo reports

2503
01:41:45,430 --> 01:41:44,320
both military and otherwise uh the the

2504
01:41:48,550 --> 01:41:45,440
ability

2505
01:41:49,510 --> 01:41:48,560
for these things to uh hover and

2506
01:41:53,189 --> 01:41:49,520
accelerate

2507
01:41:54,629 --> 01:41:53,199
with no visible signs of propulsion

2508
01:41:56,790 --> 01:41:54,639
in other words we're not seeing

2509
01:42:00,149 --> 01:41:56,800
afterburners like an f-16

2510
01:42:03,109 --> 01:42:00,159
these things are clearly being

2511
01:42:03,590 --> 01:42:03,119
maneuvered and orchestrated by some

2512
01:42:05,590 --> 01:42:03,600
other

2513
01:42:06,790 --> 01:42:05,600
radical type of propulsion technology

2514
01:42:09,910 --> 01:42:06,800
we're not talking

2515
01:42:12,229 --> 01:42:09,920
uh combustion engines now why uh

2516
01:42:12,950 --> 01:42:12,239
and staying focused on 60 minutes here

2517
01:42:15,750 --> 01:42:12,960
sure

2518
01:42:17,109 --> 01:42:15,760
when lou elizondo who i've interviewed

2519
01:42:19,910 --> 01:42:17,119
on this program

2520
01:42:21,590 --> 01:42:19,920
and uh i appreciate everything that that

2521
01:42:25,030 --> 01:42:21,600
he has done to elevate

2522
01:42:28,470 --> 01:42:25,040
uh this into the public eye but lou

2523
01:42:31,189 --> 01:42:28,480
said something that uh

2524
01:42:32,790 --> 01:42:31,199
very clearly and dramatically he's you

2525
01:42:36,390 --> 01:42:32,800
know 700 g's

2526
01:42:38,470 --> 01:42:36,400
13 000 miles per hour defying physics

2527
01:42:40,870 --> 01:42:38,480
and he makes these points right in a row

2528
01:42:44,550 --> 01:42:40,880
60 minutes didn't do anything with that

2529
01:42:47,590 --> 01:42:44,560
no no they let that just float on by

2530
01:42:49,510 --> 01:42:47,600
and if your mom or dad you know you're

2531
01:42:50,149 --> 01:42:49,520
middle america or whatever you know and

2532
01:42:53,270 --> 01:42:50,159
you're watching

2533
01:42:55,350 --> 01:42:53,280
and that just that just blows by

2534
01:42:57,109 --> 01:42:55,360
that was an opportunity for 60 minutes

2535
01:42:58,149 --> 01:42:57,119
to bring in a scientist bring in a

2536
01:43:02,149 --> 01:42:58,159
physicist

2537
01:43:04,950 --> 01:43:02,159
to explain what 700 g's really means

2538
01:43:06,070 --> 01:43:04,960
i agree and not to defend 60 minutes but

2539
01:43:07,910 --> 01:43:06,080
i would argue that

2540
01:43:10,070 --> 01:43:07,920
truly jimmy and i think you'll agree

2541
01:43:11,910 --> 01:43:10,080
with this as will your audience

2542
01:43:13,669 --> 01:43:11,920
that could have been a one-hour segment

2543
01:43:15,669 --> 01:43:13,679
on the on the uap subject

2544
01:43:17,750 --> 01:43:15,679
unfortunately it was relegated to what

2545
01:43:19,510 --> 01:43:17,760
maybe eight to 12 minutes i don't know i

2546
01:43:21,990 --> 01:43:19,520
didn't didn't count the minutes but

2547
01:43:24,070 --> 01:43:22,000
it it could have been a full program to

2548
01:43:27,030 --> 01:43:24,080
be quite honest and to your point

2549
01:43:28,229 --> 01:43:27,040
to fully cover the story to the the

2550
01:43:30,229 --> 01:43:28,239
breath and scope it should have been

2551
01:43:31,510 --> 01:43:30,239
yeah the most important point i think

2552
01:43:34,790 --> 01:43:31,520
that lou brought up

2553
01:43:35,510 --> 01:43:34,800
and i think needs to be discussed was

2554
01:43:38,390 --> 01:43:35,520
that

2555
01:43:40,310 --> 01:43:38,400
and if you go back this is another uh

2556
01:43:41,990 --> 01:43:40,320
thing that i found very interesting

2557
01:43:43,669 --> 01:43:42,000
if you go back to the opening segment

2558
01:43:45,189 --> 01:43:43,679
with anderson cooper and facial

2559
01:43:47,270 --> 01:43:45,199
recognition

2560
01:43:48,629 --> 01:43:47,280
they brought in the police departments

2561
01:43:51,669 --> 01:43:48,639
they brought in

2562
01:43:53,669 --> 01:43:51,679
a specialist to explain you know and

2563
01:43:55,109 --> 01:43:53,679
and to bring in both points and so

2564
01:43:57,830 --> 01:43:55,119
everybody understood

2565
01:44:00,070 --> 01:43:57,840
exactly the significance and the

2566
01:44:01,270 --> 01:44:00,080
importance of what is going on with this

2567
01:44:03,750 --> 01:44:01,280
software

2568
01:44:04,550 --> 01:44:03,760
right and that didn't happen with the

2569
01:44:07,109 --> 01:44:04,560
uap

2570
01:44:07,750 --> 01:44:07,119
no it didn't you know and again not to

2571
01:44:09,590 --> 01:44:07,760
belittle

2572
01:44:11,030 --> 01:44:09,600
the testimony of the you know the naval

2573
01:44:12,629 --> 01:44:11,040
pilots that we're on you know

2574
01:44:14,629 --> 01:44:12,639
i certainly appreciate their input on

2575
01:44:17,109 --> 01:44:14,639
that segment but no

2576
01:44:19,030 --> 01:44:17,119
to make it a better well-rounded more

2577
01:44:20,790 --> 01:44:19,040
you know investigated

2578
01:44:22,310 --> 01:44:20,800
story you know if we're truly talking

2579
01:44:23,109 --> 01:44:22,320
about investigative journalism right

2580
01:44:25,030 --> 01:44:23,119
jimmy

2581
01:44:26,550 --> 01:44:25,040
uh we should have had some experts weigh

2582
01:44:29,990 --> 01:44:26,560
in on that yeah we should have

2583
01:44:32,629 --> 01:44:30,000
and now and this is my

2584
01:44:33,189 --> 01:44:32,639
next point uh to this and i'm not i

2585
01:44:36,790 --> 01:44:33,199
don't want to

2586
01:44:40,470 --> 01:44:36,800
seem like um i'm i'm kicking

2587
01:44:43,830 --> 01:44:40,480
a dead horse here right but

2588
01:44:48,270 --> 01:44:43,840
the opportunity for uh

2589
01:44:51,750 --> 01:44:48,280
60 minutes to explain that this may be

2590
01:44:54,070 --> 01:44:51,760
otherworldly right that this may be

2591
01:44:55,109 --> 01:44:54,080
you know a an extraterrestrial

2592
01:44:58,470 --> 01:44:55,119
civilization

2593
01:45:01,669 --> 01:44:58,480
visiting us was not explored

2594
01:45:05,510 --> 01:45:01,679
and because they let that element go

2595
01:45:07,189 --> 01:45:05,520
it appears to the public eye i'm stating

2596
01:45:10,109 --> 01:45:07,199
the way i perceive it

2597
01:45:11,270 --> 01:45:10,119
that this is a military issue an

2598
01:45:14,830 --> 01:45:11,280
adversarial

2599
01:45:16,229 --> 01:45:14,840
issue a russian issue a chinese

2600
01:45:19,430 --> 01:45:16,239
technology leap

2601
01:45:21,669 --> 01:45:19,440
issue and not necessarily something

2602
01:45:23,109 --> 01:45:21,679
else that may be visiting us from zeta

2603
01:45:25,430 --> 01:45:23,119
reticuli

2604
01:45:26,390 --> 01:45:25,440
and i think that that that's the way it

2605
01:45:29,750 --> 01:45:26,400
was left

2606
01:45:31,590 --> 01:45:29,760
in the end yeah yeah no i agree

2607
01:45:32,629 --> 01:45:31,600
i think people different people are

2608
01:45:34,550 --> 01:45:32,639
going to come away with it with

2609
01:45:36,709 --> 01:45:34,560
different perspectives you know just

2610
01:45:38,709 --> 01:45:36,719
just like the ufo situation in general

2611
01:45:39,430 --> 01:45:38,719
right jimmy uh depending on what we talk

2612
01:45:42,229 --> 01:45:39,440
about

2613
01:45:43,830 --> 01:45:42,239
but i i do feel it's just one more step

2614
01:45:45,430 --> 01:45:43,840
moving us forward though

2615
01:45:47,669 --> 01:45:45,440
again going back to the new york times

2616
01:45:49,430 --> 01:45:47,679
article december 2017

2617
01:45:50,870 --> 01:45:49,440
where you know for all intents and

2618
01:45:52,149 --> 01:45:50,880
purposes i mean

2619
01:45:54,629 --> 01:45:52,159
they have acknowledged there's a

2620
01:45:55,830 --> 01:45:54,639
phenomenon and so as i i like to

2621
01:45:59,189 --> 01:45:55,840
characterize it

2622
01:45:59,669 --> 01:45:59,199
we've moved beyond the archaic are ufos

2623
01:46:02,390 --> 01:45:59,679
real

2624
01:46:04,149 --> 01:46:02,400
to what our ufos which i've always said

2625
01:46:05,270 --> 01:46:04,159
should be the fundamental question that

2626
01:46:07,270 --> 01:46:05,280
should be asked

2627
01:46:08,950 --> 01:46:07,280
not our you know ufos exist yes

2628
01:46:10,470 --> 01:46:08,960
unidentified flying objects they could

2629
01:46:12,149 --> 01:46:10,480
be misidentifications

2630
01:46:13,750 --> 01:46:12,159
they could be extraterrestrial vehicles

2631
01:46:16,149 --> 01:46:13,760
god knows what they could be

2632
01:46:17,750 --> 01:46:16,159
but i do feel that we're we're moving in

2633
01:46:19,750 --> 01:46:17,760
a positive direction

2634
01:46:21,030 --> 01:46:19,760
and admittedly it's maybe not as fast as

2635
01:46:23,430 --> 01:46:21,040
you and i would like it

2636
01:46:24,790 --> 01:46:23,440
but i do feel that with the 60 minutes

2637
01:46:27,590 --> 01:46:24,800
this is going to now yield

2638
01:46:29,430 --> 01:46:27,600
additional mainstream news outlets which

2639
01:46:32,470 --> 01:46:29,440
in the last few days we've seen right

2640
01:46:35,990 --> 01:46:32,480
uh since the 60s cnn bbc

2641
01:46:38,629 --> 01:46:36,000
nbc bbc2 yes and so

2642
01:46:39,510 --> 01:46:38,639
i i know that you know we're trying to

2643
01:46:42,629 --> 01:46:39,520
you know

2644
01:46:45,030 --> 01:46:42,639
curb our anticipation our enthusiasm but

2645
01:46:46,470 --> 01:46:45,040
i do see a forward-moving trend now that

2646
01:46:48,950 --> 01:46:46,480
being said

2647
01:46:50,629 --> 01:46:48,960
you know unfortunately or i should say

2648
01:46:51,750 --> 01:46:50,639
fortunately as it relates to the 60

2649
01:46:54,390 --> 01:46:51,760
minutes segment

2650
01:46:56,070 --> 01:46:54,400
we didn't see the ubiquitous skeptics

2651
01:46:58,550 --> 01:46:56,080
with their tired arguments

2652
01:46:59,990 --> 01:46:58,560
and but we have seen them on other news

2653
01:47:03,830 --> 01:47:00,000
outlets where they weigh in

2654
01:47:06,830 --> 01:47:03,840
on the dod videos and you know i i'm

2655
01:47:09,910 --> 01:47:06,840
really getting tired of their labored

2656
01:47:11,830 --> 01:47:09,920
generalizations as as opposed you know

2657
01:47:13,590 --> 01:47:11,840
we have these astronomers like seth

2658
01:47:15,990 --> 01:47:13,600
shawstack for example

2659
01:47:17,830 --> 01:47:16,000
that says well i'm looking at this dod

2660
01:47:18,310 --> 01:47:17,840
video and it could be a lens flare it

2661
01:47:21,350 --> 01:47:18,320
could be

2662
01:47:23,590 --> 01:47:21,360
an aberration of the camera well

2663
01:47:25,030 --> 01:47:23,600
with you know all respect to shawstack

2664
01:47:26,310 --> 01:47:25,040
i'm sure he's a great astronomer and

2665
01:47:28,550 --> 01:47:26,320
said he loves him

2666
01:47:29,590 --> 01:47:28,560
uh he doesn't know you know the

2667
01:47:33,030 --> 01:47:29,600
state-of-the-art

2668
01:47:34,629 --> 01:47:33,040
dod uh detection and defense systems

2669
01:47:37,270 --> 01:47:34,639
he doesn't know their capabilities he

2670
01:47:39,030 --> 01:47:37,280
doesn't know the specs and i guarantee

2671
01:47:41,510 --> 01:47:39,040
there are people within the pentagon and

2672
01:47:43,030 --> 01:47:41,520
dod that know those systems much better

2673
01:47:44,709 --> 01:47:43,040
than seth shawstack

2674
01:47:46,070 --> 01:47:44,719
and if it's gone through the vetting

2675
01:47:47,669 --> 01:47:46,080
process on their end

2676
01:47:50,870 --> 01:47:47,679
i tend to believe them over seth

2677
01:47:54,709 --> 01:47:50,880
shawstak why do you think uh

2678
01:47:58,390 --> 01:47:54,719
seth is is weighing in his opinion here

2679
01:48:02,070 --> 01:47:58,400
where it seems that

2680
01:48:02,629 --> 01:48:02,080
man i don't want to pooh-pooh on seti i

2681
01:48:06,149 --> 01:48:02,639
don't know

2682
01:48:09,189 --> 01:48:06,159
but but either right right either you

2683
01:48:11,910 --> 01:48:09,199
are curious as to life

2684
01:48:12,870 --> 01:48:11,920
in the milky way and throughout the

2685
01:48:16,070 --> 01:48:12,880
universe

2686
01:48:17,189 --> 01:48:16,080
and you believe that there is something

2687
01:48:20,629 --> 01:48:17,199
else

2688
01:48:23,669 --> 01:48:20,639
uh out there beyond planet earth

2689
01:48:26,870 --> 01:48:23,679
and you're on the team here or

2690
01:48:28,790 --> 01:48:26,880
you are not and that's that's the issue

2691
01:48:32,310 --> 01:48:28,800
that i take with seth

2692
01:48:35,910 --> 01:48:32,320
i believe in seti and this is too that

2693
01:48:39,030 --> 01:48:35,920
clearly if seti didn't exist

2694
01:48:42,790 --> 01:48:39,040
then we would never know right we

2695
01:48:45,189 --> 01:48:42,800
have to look right we have to

2696
01:48:46,149 --> 01:48:45,199
listen because if we don't we'll never

2697
01:48:49,750 --> 01:48:46,159
know i

2698
01:48:53,189 --> 01:48:49,760
i appreciate that but seth comes

2699
01:48:56,149 --> 01:48:53,199
sometimes i think he's coming in uh

2700
01:48:58,950 --> 01:48:56,159
with more of a negative side of this and

2701
01:49:01,830 --> 01:48:58,960
he's not playing on the same team

2702
01:49:03,030 --> 01:49:01,840
right uh no and i completely echo what

2703
01:49:04,950 --> 01:49:03,040
you just said jimmy i

2704
01:49:07,109 --> 01:49:04,960
respect seti in fact in my book uh

2705
01:49:08,550 --> 01:49:07,119
towards the end in my book i i call out

2706
01:49:10,870 --> 01:49:08,560
their efforts and i commend them for

2707
01:49:13,990 --> 01:49:10,880
their efforts going back to the 60s

2708
01:49:16,790 --> 01:49:14,000
um but the academic elitism that

2709
01:49:17,589 --> 01:49:16,800
i see in the sense that well we're

2710
01:49:19,990 --> 01:49:17,599
academics

2711
01:49:22,550 --> 01:49:20,000
and we're looking for life out there

2712
01:49:23,990 --> 01:49:22,560
you're postulating that there's ufos

2713
01:49:26,229 --> 01:49:24,000
within our atmosphere and they're

2714
01:49:28,149 --> 01:49:26,239
already here it's kind of like

2715
01:49:29,750 --> 01:49:28,159
they can't see the forest for the trees

2716
01:49:31,669 --> 01:49:29,760
you know they're looking for it light

2717
01:49:33,589 --> 01:49:31,679
years away when in fact we may have

2718
01:49:35,750 --> 01:49:33,599
objects in fact we do have objects

2719
01:49:37,270 --> 01:49:35,760
i'm not saying that the dod said that we

2720
01:49:38,709 --> 01:49:37,280
have objects of unknown origin moving

2721
01:49:40,790 --> 01:49:38,719
within our atmosphere

2722
01:49:41,990 --> 01:49:40,800
they're ufos uaps call them what you

2723
01:49:44,550 --> 01:49:42,000
will but

2724
01:49:46,070 --> 01:49:44,560
you know when seth shawstak makes these

2725
01:49:48,870 --> 01:49:46,080
blanket explanations

2726
01:49:50,950 --> 01:49:48,880
and what i find interesting is you know

2727
01:49:52,870 --> 01:49:50,960
historically as well as even now

2728
01:49:54,310 --> 01:49:52,880
the skeptical arguments usually only

2729
01:49:55,750 --> 01:49:54,320
address one aspect

2730
01:49:57,910 --> 01:49:55,760
of the phenomenon in other words he

2731
01:49:59,830 --> 01:49:57,920
talks about the dod videos that

2732
01:50:02,470 --> 01:49:59,840
well it could just be an aberration of

2733
01:50:04,709 --> 01:50:02,480
the camera it could be a lens flare

2734
01:50:06,709 --> 01:50:04,719
how does that explain david fravor and

2735
01:50:08,390 --> 01:50:06,719
mckenzie and the other naval pilots that

2736
01:50:10,790 --> 01:50:08,400
visually saw the object

2737
01:50:13,030 --> 01:50:10,800
at the same time i might add that the

2738
01:50:14,550 --> 01:50:13,040
aegis radar system our state-of-the-art

2739
01:50:17,109 --> 01:50:14,560
technology at the time

2740
01:50:17,910 --> 01:50:17,119
was tracking these things uh john

2741
01:50:20,070 --> 01:50:17,920
radcliffe

2742
01:50:21,669 --> 01:50:20,080
actually back in december or january you

2743
01:50:22,790 --> 01:50:21,679
know trump's uh you know national

2744
01:50:25,750 --> 01:50:22,800
security advisor

2745
01:50:26,310 --> 01:50:25,760
stated on interviews for fox news that

2746
01:50:28,550 --> 01:50:26,320
not only

2747
01:50:29,510 --> 01:50:28,560
we're not talking about a pilot sighting

2748
01:50:32,390 --> 01:50:29,520
we're talking about

2749
01:50:33,669 --> 01:50:32,400
multiple sensors tracking simultaneously

2750
01:50:36,070 --> 01:50:33,679
these objects

2751
01:50:38,149 --> 01:50:36,080
if it was anything else jimmy if it was

2752
01:50:38,629 --> 01:50:38,159
a car or a commercial aircraft and you

2753
01:50:40,709 --> 01:50:38,639
say

2754
01:50:42,550 --> 01:50:40,719
i see it visually i'm tracking it based

2755
01:50:44,870 --> 01:50:42,560
on multiple tracking systems

2756
01:50:46,870 --> 01:50:44,880
we wouldn't question the fact that the

2757
01:50:49,189 --> 01:50:46,880
object whatever it is is there

2758
01:50:50,390 --> 01:50:49,199
but because it's a ufo or uap suddenly

2759
01:50:51,589 --> 01:50:50,400
we try to make these blanket

2760
01:50:55,030 --> 01:50:51,599
explanations

2761
01:50:57,109 --> 01:50:55,040
yes and and the skeptic argument

2762
01:50:58,070 --> 01:50:57,119
you know like you know people like

2763
01:51:00,070 --> 01:50:58,080
michael shermer

2764
01:51:02,149 --> 01:51:00,080
and i i think he's a very entertaining

2765
01:51:03,270 --> 01:51:02,159
guy i'm sure he's a lot of fun at a

2766
01:51:07,589 --> 01:51:03,280
dinner party

2767
01:51:10,229 --> 01:51:07,599
sure but but their skeptical position is

2768
01:51:12,470 --> 01:51:10,239
come on everybody's crazy this is a

2769
01:51:16,310 --> 01:51:12,480
psychological phenomenon

2770
01:51:19,350 --> 01:51:16,320
it it is mass hysteria there is nothing

2771
01:51:22,709 --> 01:51:19,360
going on there's a reasonable rational

2772
01:51:26,229 --> 01:51:22,719
explanation for everything

2773
01:51:27,589 --> 01:51:26,239
absolutely without without presenting a

2774
01:51:30,550 --> 01:51:27,599
rational argument

2775
01:51:31,189 --> 01:51:30,560
then well their position is everybody's

2776
01:51:33,109 --> 01:51:31,199
nuts

2777
01:51:34,550 --> 01:51:33,119
yeah well and mixed in with that is

2778
01:51:37,669 --> 01:51:34,560
usually the statement that

2779
01:51:39,270 --> 01:51:37,679
ufo researchers ufo believers think this

2780
01:51:41,350 --> 01:51:39,280
is extraterrestrial

2781
01:51:43,430 --> 01:51:41,360
for the record for you for your audience

2782
01:51:45,350 --> 01:51:43,440
with regard to these dod encounters

2783
01:51:46,629 --> 01:51:45,360
i said it earlier i will say it again as

2784
01:51:49,350 --> 01:51:46,639
a matter of record

2785
01:51:50,709 --> 01:51:49,360
i don't know what they are they're

2786
01:51:52,950 --> 01:51:50,719
unidentified

2787
01:51:54,550 --> 01:51:52,960
again the skeptics try to put words in

2788
01:51:55,430 --> 01:51:54,560
the mouth of credible researchers like

2789
01:51:57,750 --> 01:51:55,440
myself

2790
01:51:58,629 --> 01:51:57,760
now there are non-credible researchers

2791
01:52:00,229 --> 01:51:58,639
out there that jump to the

2792
01:52:01,750 --> 01:52:00,239
extraterrestrial hypothesis

2793
01:52:03,589 --> 01:52:01,760
these must be aliens they got to be

2794
01:52:04,790 --> 01:52:03,599
aliens i believe they're aliens i know

2795
01:52:07,109 --> 01:52:04,800
they're aliens

2796
01:52:08,950 --> 01:52:07,119
i'm not going down that pathway jimmy

2797
01:52:09,669 --> 01:52:08,960
they're unidentified that's all we can

2798
01:52:12,070 --> 01:52:09,679
say

2799
01:52:13,750 --> 01:52:12,080
if it turns out to be russian great if

2800
01:52:15,430 --> 01:52:13,760
it turns out to be extraterrestrial

2801
01:52:17,430 --> 01:52:15,440
great if it turns out to be some type of

2802
01:52:19,109 --> 01:52:17,440
aberration great

2803
01:52:21,350 --> 01:52:19,119
i highly doubt it though that it's going

2804
01:52:22,950 --> 01:52:21,360
to be an aberration again because of the

2805
01:52:25,589 --> 01:52:22,960
multiple

2806
01:52:27,189 --> 01:52:25,599
visual sightings and objective

2807
01:52:27,830 --> 01:52:27,199
instrumentation that's recorded these

2808
01:52:31,109 --> 01:52:27,840
objects

2809
01:52:34,070 --> 01:52:31,119
now i i firmly believe that

2810
01:52:34,790 --> 01:52:34,080
the leaked videos uh that have uh

2811
01:52:37,990 --> 01:52:34,800
surfaced

2812
01:52:40,390 --> 01:52:38,000
lately and i can even go back to uh

2813
01:52:41,030 --> 01:52:40,400
we can go back to tic tac and go fast

2814
01:52:44,629 --> 01:52:41,040
and

2815
01:52:48,709 --> 01:52:44,639
gimbal that all of that is crap

2816
01:52:50,390 --> 01:52:48,719
in my in it it's not the good stuff

2817
01:52:51,750 --> 01:52:50,400
and if that's what's going to be in the

2818
01:52:54,149 --> 01:52:51,760
uap tf

2819
01:52:55,430 --> 01:52:54,159
report presented to the senate

2820
01:52:57,830 --> 01:52:55,440
intelligence committee

2821
01:52:58,709 --> 01:52:57,840
we've got a big problem because there is

2822
01:53:01,910 --> 01:52:58,719
uh there

2823
01:53:02,550 --> 01:53:01,920
has to be some really cool stuff what we

2824
01:53:04,629 --> 01:53:02,560
are seeing

2825
01:53:05,830 --> 01:53:04,639
is not the good stuff going back to

2826
01:53:09,589 --> 01:53:05,840
radcliffe

2827
01:53:12,629 --> 01:53:09,599
ratcliffe slipped up he said something

2828
01:53:13,750 --> 01:53:12,639
that i cannot believe nobody grabbed on

2829
01:53:16,149 --> 01:53:13,760
to this

2830
01:53:17,189 --> 01:53:16,159
and and took this to the next level he

2831
01:53:20,390 --> 01:53:17,199
said

2832
01:53:23,669 --> 01:53:20,400
we have satellite tracking data

2833
01:53:26,229 --> 01:53:23,679
yeah holy crap yep okay

2834
01:53:26,709 --> 01:53:26,239
what is he referring to there that's

2835
01:53:30,550 --> 01:53:26,719
that's

2836
01:53:32,070 --> 01:53:30,560
what needs to be in this report well

2837
01:53:33,750 --> 01:53:32,080
absolutely i agree and i'm glad you

2838
01:53:35,510 --> 01:53:33,760
picked up on that because i did as well

2839
01:53:36,629 --> 01:53:35,520
jimmy and in fact some of the skeptics

2840
01:53:38,790 --> 01:53:36,639
have used that

2841
01:53:40,709 --> 01:53:38,800
as a statement you know we have tons of

2842
01:53:43,350 --> 01:53:40,719
satellites you know

2843
01:53:44,629 --> 01:53:43,360
filming and photographing every inch of

2844
01:53:46,310 --> 01:53:44,639
this planet how come they're not being

2845
01:53:49,189 --> 01:53:46,320
detected on satellite

2846
01:53:50,870 --> 01:53:49,199
to your point it you know just because

2847
01:53:52,629 --> 01:53:50,880
we don't see it doesn't mean it doesn't

2848
01:53:55,030 --> 01:53:52,639
exist

2849
01:53:56,070 --> 01:53:55,040
when uh when he said that there was a

2850
01:54:00,070 --> 01:53:56,080
couple of points

2851
01:54:02,310 --> 01:54:00,080
that uh uh made it into the media

2852
01:54:03,750 --> 01:54:02,320
where i don't know if it's cognitive

2853
01:54:08,310 --> 01:54:03,760
dissonance or

2854
01:54:11,750 --> 01:54:08,320
or where um uh there's been a general

2855
01:54:14,229 --> 01:54:11,760
laziness in in true journalism but when

2856
01:54:16,470 --> 01:54:14,239
radcliffe makes a statement like that

2857
01:54:17,910 --> 01:54:16,480
you go after that as a journalist what

2858
01:54:21,189 --> 01:54:17,920
are you talking about

2859
01:54:24,390 --> 01:54:21,199
what are you referring to dr eric davis

2860
01:54:27,270 --> 01:54:24,400
in leslie kane and ralph blumenthal's uh

2861
01:54:29,109 --> 01:54:27,280
article before last about six months ago

2862
01:54:31,430 --> 01:54:29,119
dr eric davis

2863
01:54:33,510 --> 01:54:31,440
buried in the article makes one of the

2864
01:54:34,790 --> 01:54:33,520
most incredible claims in the history of

2865
01:54:37,990 --> 01:54:34,800
mankind

2866
01:54:38,870 --> 01:54:38,000
where he says we have crash flying

2867
01:54:42,629 --> 01:54:38,880
saucers

2868
01:54:43,510 --> 01:54:42,639
our government and nobody seized on that

2869
01:54:46,629 --> 01:54:43,520
moment

2870
01:54:49,910 --> 01:54:46,639
nobody went after uh dr davis

2871
01:54:50,629 --> 01:54:49,920
and okay you're saying something here

2872
01:54:53,430 --> 01:54:50,639
that is

2873
01:54:55,990 --> 01:54:53,440
probably the most historic statement in

2874
01:54:59,109 --> 01:54:56,000
the history of the world

2875
01:55:00,950 --> 01:54:59,119
right absolutely i mean what

2876
01:55:02,790 --> 01:55:00,960
what's more significant than that

2877
01:55:04,310 --> 01:55:02,800
statement well to your point though

2878
01:55:06,310 --> 01:55:04,320
jimmy it's almost like that's the third

2879
01:55:07,910 --> 01:55:06,320
reel that nobody wants to touch right at

2880
01:55:08,310 --> 01:55:07,920
least within main street journalism it's

2881
01:55:10,229 --> 01:55:08,320
like

2882
01:55:11,910 --> 01:55:10,239
we can accept pilots are seeing objects

2883
01:55:13,830 --> 01:55:11,920
in the air but if you're saying that

2884
01:55:15,510 --> 01:55:13,840
they crashed and we recovered debris

2885
01:55:17,109 --> 01:55:15,520
that opens up that whole can of worms

2886
01:55:18,870 --> 01:55:17,119
with conspiracy

2887
01:55:21,189 --> 01:55:18,880
and so to your point it's like they're

2888
01:55:22,709 --> 01:55:21,199
they're actively avoiding

2889
01:55:24,470 --> 01:55:22,719
touching on that one it's like that's

2890
01:55:27,030 --> 01:55:24,480
the third rail of ufology

2891
01:55:28,470 --> 01:55:27,040
i i just wanna i i wanna know what his

2892
01:55:32,149 --> 01:55:28,480
source is

2893
01:55:32,790 --> 01:55:32,159
because for the new york times to put a

2894
01:55:36,629 --> 01:55:32,800
quote

2895
01:55:38,390 --> 01:55:36,639
is named

2896
01:55:40,950 --> 01:55:38,400
it's in the article that's got to be

2897
01:55:42,070 --> 01:55:40,960
vetted you got one two three sources

2898
01:55:43,990 --> 01:55:42,080
behind that

2899
01:55:46,229 --> 01:55:44,000
so if the new york times is going to

2900
01:55:49,910 --> 01:55:46,239
include this and it passes the

2901
01:55:53,109 --> 01:55:49,920
editorial test it passes the attorneys

2902
01:55:54,629 --> 01:55:53,119
it it goes through legal and it makes it

2903
01:55:57,270 --> 01:55:54,639
into the article

2904
01:55:59,189 --> 01:55:57,280
where are the sources what what is eric

2905
01:56:02,149 --> 01:55:59,199
davis talking about here

2906
01:56:04,390 --> 01:56:02,159
and as far as i know no journalist has

2907
01:56:07,270 --> 01:56:04,400
has chased eric davis down

2908
01:56:10,709 --> 01:56:07,280
for him to explain this quote if they've

2909
01:56:13,990 --> 01:56:10,719
chased him down he's not talking

2910
01:56:16,709 --> 01:56:14,000
i mean i i i just don't get and it goes

2911
01:56:19,030 --> 01:56:16,719
back to radcliff too as well we are in

2912
01:56:21,990 --> 01:56:19,040
extraordinary times right now

2913
01:56:23,270 --> 01:56:22,000
uh big things are being mentioned and

2914
01:56:26,870 --> 01:56:23,280
talked about

2915
01:56:29,189 --> 01:56:26,880
and there isn't enough uh journalism

2916
01:56:31,270 --> 01:56:29,199
to go back and get this stuff cleared up

2917
01:56:34,070 --> 01:56:31,280
for the public and i think these are

2918
01:56:35,669 --> 01:56:34,080
big big points that are being made david

2919
01:56:37,830 --> 01:56:35,679
what's interesting is you're getting

2920
01:56:39,990 --> 01:56:37,840
multiple sources that are starting to

2921
01:56:41,430 --> 01:56:40,000
open up like john brennan former cia

2922
01:56:41,990 --> 01:56:41,440
director john brennan even made

2923
01:56:44,390 --> 01:56:42,000
statements

2924
01:56:45,350 --> 01:56:44,400
correct people that never touched on the

2925
01:56:47,350 --> 01:56:45,360
subject before

2926
01:56:48,790 --> 01:56:47,360
are now opening up and i will tell you

2927
01:56:51,990 --> 01:56:48,800
jimmy uh

2928
01:56:53,589 --> 01:56:52,000
i have had since the december 2017

2929
01:56:55,270 --> 01:56:53,599
release and actually since i was on

2930
01:56:56,229 --> 01:56:55,280
history channels unidentified with chris

2931
01:56:59,750 --> 01:56:56,239
mellon

2932
01:57:02,550 --> 01:56:59,760
i have had more active and retired

2933
01:57:04,629 --> 01:57:02,560
military personnel reaching out to me

2934
01:57:05,430 --> 01:57:04,639
about a month ago i had a retired air

2935
01:57:08,229 --> 01:57:05,440
force colonel

2936
01:57:09,430 --> 01:57:08,239
who was in charge of the advanced uh

2937
01:57:11,910 --> 01:57:09,440
advanced weapons

2938
01:57:13,270 --> 01:57:11,920
for the air force here in the research

2939
01:57:15,750 --> 01:57:13,280
room where i'm sitting

2940
01:57:16,950 --> 01:57:15,760
along with a retired lieutenant colonel

2941
01:57:19,109 --> 01:57:16,960
in the air force

2942
01:57:20,149 --> 01:57:19,119
i did a local radio show they heard

2943
01:57:22,790 --> 01:57:20,159
about it they

2944
01:57:24,709 --> 01:57:22,800
came here to talk to me about ufos no

2945
01:57:25,990 --> 01:57:24,719
mate no major revelations i will tell

2946
01:57:29,189 --> 01:57:26,000
you and your audience that

2947
01:57:30,870 --> 01:57:29,199
but the point is in 31 years

2948
01:57:32,470 --> 01:57:30,880
i've never had the caliber of people

2949
01:57:34,070 --> 01:57:32,480
like that reaching out and i've had a

2950
01:57:35,910 --> 01:57:34,080
number of other lieutenant colonels in

2951
01:57:37,030 --> 01:57:35,920
the air force reaching out over the last

2952
01:57:44,229 --> 01:57:37,040
year

2953
01:57:45,109 --> 01:57:44,239
but only because now the tide is

2954
01:57:48,070 --> 01:57:45,119
changing

2955
01:57:49,430 --> 01:57:48,080
the skepticism the stigma is eroding

2956
01:57:51,350 --> 01:57:49,440
these people are starting to come out

2957
01:57:54,470 --> 01:57:51,360
and they want to talk

2958
01:57:56,629 --> 01:57:54,480
uh is should the public be worried

2959
01:57:57,910 --> 01:57:56,639
i mean you know with this threat and the

2960
01:58:02,390 --> 01:57:57,920
fear

2961
01:58:05,270 --> 01:58:02,400
of of of what may be going on

2962
01:58:06,229 --> 01:58:05,280
the two general areas off the coast of

2963
01:58:08,390 --> 01:58:06,239
san diego

2964
01:58:10,229 --> 01:58:08,400
and off of the eastern you know in the

2965
01:58:10,709 --> 01:58:10,239
atlantic ocean off the coast of florida

2966
01:58:15,270 --> 01:58:10,719
and

2967
01:58:18,870 --> 01:58:15,280
areas

2968
01:58:20,070 --> 01:58:18,880
should the public be worried i i don't

2969
01:58:21,510 --> 01:58:20,080
like to be an alarmist

2970
01:58:23,750 --> 01:58:21,520
i i don't wanna i don't think people

2971
01:58:25,990 --> 01:58:23,760
need to be worried however

2972
01:58:27,750 --> 01:58:26,000
uh you were talking about the comment by

2973
01:58:28,310 --> 01:58:27,760
eric davis that nobody really picked up

2974
01:58:30,870 --> 01:58:28,320
on

2975
01:58:33,830 --> 01:58:30,880
there was a comment that was made by the

2976
01:58:34,629 --> 01:58:33,840
navy spokesman back in 2019 that i feel

2977
01:58:36,470 --> 01:58:34,639
journalists and

2978
01:58:38,229 --> 01:58:36,480
and a lot of the ufo community glossed

2979
01:58:42,470 --> 01:58:38,239
over the question i

2980
01:58:44,229 --> 01:58:42,480
ask is why now being a ufo historian and

2981
01:58:46,310 --> 01:58:44,239
seeing decades-long denials

2982
01:58:47,990 --> 01:58:46,320
why now and that is i think the

2983
01:58:50,550 --> 01:58:48,000
fundamental question with regard

2984
01:58:51,830 --> 01:58:50,560
to all of this why now are they starting

2985
01:58:53,030 --> 01:58:51,840
to open up and talk about this

2986
01:58:54,790 --> 01:58:53,040
phenomenon

2987
01:58:56,470 --> 01:58:54,800
and i believe it goes back to a

2988
01:58:57,030 --> 01:58:56,480
statement made by the navy spokesman

2989
01:59:00,070 --> 01:58:57,040
when they

2990
01:59:02,709 --> 01:59:00,080
acknowledge they were basically

2991
01:59:04,790 --> 01:59:02,719
drafting official policy and procedure

2992
01:59:08,070 --> 01:59:04,800
for naval personnel to report this

2993
01:59:09,910 --> 01:59:08,080
they stated in that press release due to

2994
01:59:12,790 --> 01:59:09,920
the increased frequency

2995
01:59:14,149 --> 01:59:12,800
of uap incursions in sensitive military

2996
01:59:16,149 --> 01:59:14,159
areas

2997
01:59:18,390 --> 01:59:16,159
not to be alarmist but i believe that is

2998
01:59:19,589 --> 01:59:18,400
a key insight into why we're starting to

2999
01:59:21,750 --> 01:59:19,599
see all this now

3000
01:59:24,470 --> 01:59:21,760
i feel that they're seeing this

3001
01:59:27,510 --> 01:59:24,480
exponential increase in activity

3002
01:59:29,589 --> 01:59:27,520
specific to military activity areas

3003
01:59:32,950 --> 01:59:29,599
military operation areas

3004
01:59:34,310 --> 01:59:32,960
and they are projecting that and

3005
01:59:36,149 --> 01:59:34,320
i don't think they like to see where

3006
01:59:37,990 --> 01:59:36,159
that's headed and i think rather than

3007
01:59:39,510 --> 01:59:38,000
the tail wagging the dog

3008
01:59:41,910 --> 01:59:39,520
they want to be able to control this

3009
01:59:44,950 --> 01:59:41,920
message before something happens

3010
01:59:48,709 --> 01:59:44,960
well is so is the message

3011
01:59:52,709 --> 01:59:48,719
mars attacks is the message right

3012
01:59:55,430 --> 01:59:52,719
is that is that the message i i hope not

3013
01:59:56,709 --> 01:59:55,440
again anytime i talk about threat i

3014
01:59:58,310 --> 01:59:56,719
think again they

3015
01:59:59,910 --> 01:59:58,320
in their position they have to view it

3016
02:00:03,270 --> 01:59:59,920
as a potential threat

3017
02:00:05,189 --> 02:00:03,280
but in the context of history we've had

3018
02:00:07,430 --> 02:00:05,199
these ufos around for

3019
02:00:08,629 --> 02:00:07,440
at least 70 plus years right in the

3020
02:00:10,550 --> 02:00:08,639
modern era

3021
02:00:11,990 --> 02:00:10,560
you know and maybe go may even go back

3022
02:00:15,030 --> 02:00:12,000
to ancient aliens ancient

3023
02:00:17,589 --> 02:00:15,040
times i don't know i can't go there uh

3024
02:00:18,550 --> 02:00:17,599
but we do seem to see with rare

3025
02:00:21,270 --> 02:00:18,560
exception

3026
02:00:22,310 --> 02:00:21,280
uh fairly benign behavior on the part of

3027
02:00:24,709 --> 02:00:22,320
these ufos

3028
02:00:25,990 --> 02:00:24,719
so i would like to personally believe

3029
02:00:27,750 --> 02:00:26,000
that they are benign

3030
02:00:30,550 --> 02:00:27,760
that they're not malevolent that they're

3031
02:00:32,550 --> 02:00:30,560
not here to eat us or to invade us

3032
02:00:33,589 --> 02:00:32,560
but one has to question i think

3033
02:00:35,589 --> 02:00:33,599
logically

3034
02:00:39,270 --> 02:00:35,599
if the military is seeing an increase in

3035
02:00:42,070 --> 02:00:39,280
activity specific to military areas

3036
02:00:43,510 --> 02:00:42,080
is this reconnaissance and just using

3037
02:00:45,990 --> 02:00:43,520
the corollary that we can use

3038
02:00:47,750 --> 02:00:46,000
namely human behavior when we send

3039
02:00:50,390 --> 02:00:47,760
reconnaissance out

3040
02:00:51,990 --> 02:00:50,400
on such a high level it's usually quite

3041
02:00:53,990 --> 02:00:52,000
often a prelude to war

3042
02:00:55,350 --> 02:00:54,000
well okay i've got to take a break right

3043
02:00:58,070 --> 02:00:55,360
here but

3044
02:00:58,550 --> 02:00:58,080
the and i i've got to get the break in

3045
02:01:00,310 --> 02:00:58,560
but

3046
02:01:01,669 --> 02:01:00,320
the question is and we'll follow this up

3047
02:01:05,510 --> 02:01:01,679
after the break

3048
02:01:09,510 --> 02:01:05,520
which is the obvious one the tic tac

3049
02:01:10,229 --> 02:01:09,520
is is over san diego it's over a carrier

3050
02:01:13,430 --> 02:01:10,239
group

3051
02:01:14,709 --> 02:01:13,440
right the roosevelt why didn't the tic

3052
02:01:17,830 --> 02:01:14,719
tac happen over los

3053
02:01:19,350 --> 02:01:17,840
angeles we'll explore all of this when

3054
02:01:30,390 --> 02:01:19,360
we come back our guest tonight david

3055
02:01:33,910 --> 02:01:32,870
this is kgra digital broadcasting

3056
02:01:37,589 --> 02:01:33,920
station

3057
02:01:39,430 --> 02:01:37,599
salt lake city utah van buren arkansas

3058
02:01:41,510 --> 02:01:39,440
why is it we're not very good with our

3059
02:01:43,270 --> 02:01:41,520
health regiment until it's too late we

3060
02:01:45,109 --> 02:01:43,280
don't put oil in the car until the

3061
02:01:45,910 --> 02:01:45,119
engine blows up when the body's out of

3062
02:01:47,990 --> 02:01:45,920
balance

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ins in the 60 minutes uh the question is

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why and why now

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in the 60 minutes uap

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uh segment uh they brought on ryan this

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uh this pilot great and i loved it

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but he said something that uh i was

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actually taken aback

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by i'm a military brat okay i lived on

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army bases all

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over the world uh not all over the world

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all over the united states and

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and in in panama and and germany too as

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well

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sure um but um and i appreciate

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uh uh the men and women in our service

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but when he said oh man

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every day for two years wait a minute

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did he shoot at any of them

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right did any shoot at him

3213
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um yeah where is the negative

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connotation here

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and with the ig uh opening up this

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investigation that was announced a

3217
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couple of weeks ago

3218
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on monday um wanting to know

3219
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what actions the military has been

3220
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taking

3221
02:08:48,310 --> 02:08:44,560
with the uap unidentified

3222
02:08:52,390 --> 02:08:48,320
aerial you know right there phenomena in

3223
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in print says to me maybe

3224
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we want to know i'm talking about the

3225
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department of defense

3226
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have you been shooting at them have they

3227
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shot at you when i see the word actions

3228
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there

3229
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absolutely so for a pilot to say that

3230
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this has been going on you know

3231
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every day for two years i want to know

3232
02:09:13,990 --> 02:09:12,800
as an american citizen what did you do

3233
02:09:16,069 --> 02:09:14,000
about it

3234
02:09:18,149 --> 02:09:16,079
absolutely no yeah the question is have

3235
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we fired on these uaps

3236
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and if and i was taken aback by that

3237
02:09:23,350 --> 02:09:21,840
same statement that

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02:09:24,870 --> 02:09:23,360
i i realized that they were seeing

3239
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increased frequency but when you said

3240
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every day for two years

3241
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that's a pretty tall statement it's a

3242
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huge

3243
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statement and apparently nobody's

3244
02:09:38,470 --> 02:09:36,639
doing anything no but it does beg the

3245
02:09:40,470 --> 02:09:38,480
question if they knew that these things

3246
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were showing up on a daily basis

3247
02:09:44,470 --> 02:09:42,719
unlike going with david fraber and

3248
02:09:45,750 --> 02:09:44,480
mckenzie's testimony that you know they

3249
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were just simply doing training

3250
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exercises they weren't armed at the time

3251
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if they're happening every day for two

3252
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years straight

3253
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certainly at some point you think they

3254
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would have sent something up

3255
02:09:59,109 --> 02:09:57,679
with live ammunition and then it begs

3256
02:10:01,270 --> 02:09:59,119
the further question

3257
02:10:02,229 --> 02:10:01,280
did they fire on any of these and if

3258
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they did

3259
02:10:05,350 --> 02:10:05,040
what was the response if any uh the same

3260
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thing

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02:10:11,430 --> 02:10:08,719
with um july of 2019

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and you know again right off the coast

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of

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san diego if you are concerned

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with swarms of flying pyramids

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uh chain guns you've certainly got

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missiles uh you've got air and as far as

3269
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i know

3270
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in those v i didn't see any action being

3271
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taken

3272
02:10:36,629 --> 02:10:35,440
and as a commanding officer i would want

3273
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to know

3274
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um you know if i'm an admiral of a fleet

3275
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what are you guys doing about this or

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are you just allowing it to happen those

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things were

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slow yeah right abs absolutely

3279
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well i think we have to acknowledge and

3280
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it's great that you bring this up jimmy

3281
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we're looking at a pinhole we're looking

3282
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through a pinhole

3283
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at this subject in other words we're

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only getting table scraps

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of what they really have the information

3286
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that they really know and that's not

3287
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conspiracy theory that's just fact

3288
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it's naive in the extreme to think what

3289
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we've been shown is all they have

3290
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i think that's naive in the extreme um

3291
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but you know that being said um

3292
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it's going to be interesting to see fast

3293
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forwarding

3294
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when this report comes out if it sees

3295
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the light of day as far as the general

3296
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public is concerned

3297
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what is it going to contain what is it

3298
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going to have now i know there's a lot

3299
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of

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ufo researchers and ufo proponents out

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there that are just holding their breath

3302
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in anticipation

3303
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i'm not losing sleep over it what are

3304
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you expecting what are you expecting in

3305
02:11:44,950 --> 02:11:42,719
this report david

3306
02:11:46,069 --> 02:11:44,960
i well again you know i hate to make

3307
02:11:47,430 --> 02:11:46,079
predictions because usually when you

3308
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make predictions you're going to prove

3309
02:11:51,830 --> 02:11:48,880
yourself wrong

3310
02:11:52,470 --> 02:11:51,840
so uh i feel that we might get a few

3311
02:11:54,550 --> 02:11:52,480
quotes

3312
02:11:56,149 --> 02:11:54,560
from the report uh but i think the

3313
02:11:57,669 --> 02:11:56,159
report in and of itself is going to be

3314
02:11:59,589 --> 02:11:57,679
fairly watered down

3315
02:12:01,510 --> 02:11:59,599
uh the reason i say that i don't just

3316
02:12:02,870 --> 02:12:01,520
say that flippantly

3317
02:12:05,109 --> 02:12:02,880
i always say the best predictor of

3318
02:12:07,189 --> 02:12:05,119
future behavior is past behavior

3319
02:12:09,189 --> 02:12:07,199
we keep talking about these dod videos

3320
02:12:12,550 --> 02:12:09,199
jimmy and admittedly you know

3321
02:12:15,189 --> 02:12:12,560
we first saw these in december 2017.

3322
02:12:15,669 --> 02:12:15,199
it's been four years almost four years

3323
02:12:17,830 --> 02:12:15,679
now

3324
02:12:20,149 --> 02:12:17,840
since those videos have been released i

3325
02:12:23,350 --> 02:12:20,159
ask you and i ask your audience

3326
02:12:25,830 --> 02:12:23,360
how many pages of official documentation

3327
02:12:26,550 --> 02:12:25,840
with regard to reporting and analysis do

3328
02:12:30,390 --> 02:12:26,560
we have

3329
02:12:32,550 --> 02:12:30,400
of those videos the answer is zero

3330
02:12:33,510 --> 02:12:32,560
if we don't have anything from videos

3331
02:12:36,149 --> 02:12:33,520
that were released

3332
02:12:37,030 --> 02:12:36,159
almost four years ago do you really

3333
02:12:39,350 --> 02:12:37,040
expect them to

3334
02:12:42,069 --> 02:12:39,360
just you know share the keys of the

3335
02:12:44,149 --> 02:12:42,079
universe with us with this this report

3336
02:12:46,550 --> 02:12:44,159
i feel that there will be a report

3337
02:12:46,870 --> 02:12:46,560
submitted to members of congress but i i

3338
02:12:49,589 --> 02:12:46,880
think

3339
02:12:52,229 --> 02:12:49,599
that we need to clearly delineate

3340
02:12:54,629 --> 02:12:52,239
congress versus the general public

3341
02:12:55,589 --> 02:12:54,639
i feel we might get some quotes they're

3342
02:12:59,030 --> 02:12:55,599
going to be very

3343
02:13:01,830 --> 02:12:59,040
innocuous uh very you know vague and

3344
02:13:03,350 --> 02:13:01,840
ambiguous quotes uh that yes we

3345
02:13:04,149 --> 02:13:03,360
acknowledge there's a phenomenon i think

3346
02:13:05,430 --> 02:13:04,159
it's going to echo

3347
02:13:07,430 --> 02:13:05,440
statements we've already heard to be

3348
02:13:09,270 --> 02:13:07,440
quite honest with you and i but i hope

3349
02:13:13,030 --> 02:13:09,280
i'm wrong

3350
02:13:16,390 --> 02:13:13,040
there for those out there that say that

3351
02:13:17,030 --> 02:13:16,400
uh nothing new was brought out in the 60

3352
02:13:20,310 --> 02:13:17,040
minutes

3353
02:13:23,910 --> 02:13:20,320
piece uh i caught

3354
02:13:26,390 --> 02:13:23,920
one thing where i sat forward

3355
02:13:27,910 --> 02:13:26,400
and went okay that that is something i

3356
02:13:30,390 --> 02:13:27,920
have asked before

3357
02:13:31,830 --> 02:13:30,400
and here it is which was this it was

3358
02:13:36,229 --> 02:13:31,840
very interesting

3359
02:13:38,870 --> 02:13:36,239
that after the 2004 nimitz encounter

3360
02:13:40,550 --> 02:13:38,880
nobody was interested in it for four

3361
02:13:43,910 --> 02:13:40,560
years

3362
02:13:47,990 --> 02:13:43,920
now wait a minute right

3363
02:13:52,310 --> 02:13:48,000
defying laws of of physics

3364
02:13:55,430 --> 02:13:52,320
which can't happen the universe operates

3365
02:13:57,430 --> 02:13:55,440
in a certain parameter uh with uh with

3366
02:13:59,510 --> 02:13:57,440
laws of physics but

3367
02:14:01,030 --> 02:13:59,520
to have something go from 80 000 feet

3368
02:14:03,990 --> 02:14:01,040
down to sea level

3369
02:14:05,350 --> 02:14:04,000
in a second i would think would garner

3370
02:14:08,550 --> 02:14:05,360
some interest

3371
02:14:12,390 --> 02:14:08,560
um inside the department of defense

3372
02:14:15,270 --> 02:14:12,400
and and what david fravor saw and

3373
02:14:16,229 --> 02:14:15,280
uh and alex dietrich right his wing

3374
02:14:19,350 --> 02:14:16,239
person

3375
02:14:21,669 --> 02:14:19,360
yes no interest

3376
02:14:23,189 --> 02:14:21,679
so does that say to you i would say that

3377
02:14:26,149 --> 02:14:23,199
the captain

3378
02:14:26,950 --> 02:14:26,159
of the nimitz has some explaining to do

3379
02:14:31,350 --> 02:14:26,960
why didn't

3380
02:14:34,149 --> 02:14:31,360
he freak out and scream to the

3381
02:14:35,750 --> 02:14:34,159
to the joint chiefs about this

3382
02:14:39,350 --> 02:14:35,760
extraordinary event

3383
02:14:42,709 --> 02:14:39,360
with a 50-foot wingless

3384
02:14:46,870 --> 02:14:42,719
tic tac just running around for a couple

3385
02:14:49,910 --> 02:14:46,880
of weeks around a carrier battle group

3386
02:14:53,030 --> 02:14:49,920
why somebody has to answer

3387
02:14:54,069 --> 02:14:53,040
that question and enter the inspector

3388
02:14:56,550 --> 02:14:54,079
general

3389
02:14:58,790 --> 02:14:56,560
as you brought up earlier jimmy uh i've

3390
02:15:00,149 --> 02:14:58,800
talked to a couple people that have

3391
02:15:01,750 --> 02:15:00,159
dealt with the inspector general's

3392
02:15:03,589 --> 02:15:01,760
office and their capacity working for

3393
02:15:05,350 --> 02:15:03,599
government military and they said

3394
02:15:07,189 --> 02:15:05,360
it's not a very pleasant thing in fact

3395
02:15:09,350 --> 02:15:07,199
one likened it to you know going to see

3396
02:15:12,390 --> 02:15:09,360
your proctologist for a regular

3397
02:15:14,390 --> 02:15:12,400
short examination so i i think with the

3398
02:15:16,709 --> 02:15:14,400
inspector general getting involved now

3399
02:15:17,589 --> 02:15:16,719
it's it's really going to up the ante

3400
02:15:20,149 --> 02:15:17,599
again though

3401
02:15:21,910 --> 02:15:20,159
i i i temper my enthusiasm as far as

3402
02:15:24,709 --> 02:15:21,920
what we and the general public

3403
02:15:25,430 --> 02:15:24,719
will you know find out or be enlightened

3404
02:15:27,430 --> 02:15:25,440
to

3405
02:15:28,790 --> 02:15:27,440
uh a lot of this stuff may be classified

3406
02:15:29,830 --> 02:15:28,800
and classified for good reason

3407
02:15:33,589 --> 02:15:29,840
potentially

3408
02:15:36,870 --> 02:15:33,599
now do what do you make of

3409
02:15:39,990 --> 02:15:36,880
two u.s navy battle groups

3410
02:15:43,030 --> 02:15:40,000
one on each coast where

3411
02:15:45,350 --> 02:15:43,040
these incursions have happened

3412
02:15:47,510 --> 02:15:45,360
but exclusively with the united states

3413
02:15:50,950 --> 02:15:47,520
navy and carrier battle groups

3414
02:15:53,669 --> 02:15:50,960
this can't be a united states thing

3415
02:15:54,229 --> 02:15:53,679
hasn't china experienced this hasn't

3416
02:15:57,430 --> 02:15:54,239
russia

3417
02:16:00,870 --> 02:15:57,440
experienced this great britain india

3418
02:16:03,030 --> 02:16:00,880
israel brazil i have to believe the

3419
02:16:05,430 --> 02:16:03,040
answer is yes and again i just simply go

3420
02:16:09,109 --> 02:16:05,440
back to history being a ufo historian

3421
02:16:11,669 --> 02:16:09,119
archivist you know the british mod

3422
02:16:12,950 --> 02:16:11,679
uh has been involved in ufos and had

3423
02:16:14,790 --> 02:16:12,960
military encounters

3424
02:16:16,310 --> 02:16:14,800
as has almost every other country on the

3425
02:16:18,069 --> 02:16:16,320
face of this planet

3426
02:16:19,910 --> 02:16:18,079
i think again it's not even the extreme

3427
02:16:20,870 --> 02:16:19,920
to think that today in this modern age

3428
02:16:23,910 --> 02:16:20,880
they're still not

3429
02:16:27,109 --> 02:16:23,920
experiencing those things um

3430
02:16:29,589 --> 02:16:27,119
why haven't they mentioned them

3431
02:16:30,310 --> 02:16:29,599
certainly that's a good question isn't

3432
02:16:32,469 --> 02:16:30,320
it i mean

3433
02:16:34,790 --> 02:16:32,479
quite often the u.s leads other

3434
02:16:36,230 --> 02:16:34,800
countries as far as you know initiatives

3435
02:16:38,230 --> 02:16:36,240
and things like that

3436
02:16:39,910 --> 02:16:38,240
i'm waiting to see if we are going to

3437
02:16:41,270 --> 02:16:39,920
have revelations or

3438
02:16:43,190 --> 02:16:41,280
admissions on the part of other

3439
02:16:44,709 --> 02:16:43,200
countries now that the u.s has kind of

3440
02:16:46,549 --> 02:16:44,719
led the way in at least

3441
02:16:48,150 --> 02:16:46,559
broaching the subject without the

3442
02:16:51,349 --> 02:16:48,160
ridicule look all

3443
02:16:54,309 --> 02:16:51,359
you were unidentified

3444
02:16:55,910 --> 02:16:54,319
the countries around the world have all

3445
02:16:58,629 --> 02:16:55,920
seen what ttsa

3446
02:16:59,429 --> 02:16:58,639
and tom delong and elizondo and mellon

3447
02:17:02,070 --> 02:16:59,439
and

3448
02:17:05,509 --> 02:17:02,080
david fravor in the videos that have

3449
02:17:07,429 --> 02:17:05,519
replayed over and over and over again

3450
02:17:10,230 --> 02:17:07,439
not only on television but in in the

3451
02:17:13,669 --> 02:17:10,240
media and throughout the internet

3452
02:17:15,990 --> 02:17:13,679
it's been four years and i haven't

3453
02:17:17,669 --> 02:17:16,000
as far as i know australia hasn't

3454
02:17:19,589 --> 02:17:17,679
stepped forward japan hasn't stepped

3455
02:17:21,190 --> 02:17:19,599
forward china hasn't stepped forward

3456
02:17:22,870 --> 02:17:21,200
the united kingdom hasn't stepped

3457
02:17:24,790 --> 02:17:22,880
forward russia

3458
02:17:26,230 --> 02:17:24,800
nobody has said you know what it's

3459
02:17:29,270 --> 02:17:26,240
happening to us too we

3460
02:17:31,190 --> 02:17:29,280
we are concerned here's our data

3461
02:17:32,389 --> 02:17:31,200
let's talk about this that hasn't

3462
02:17:36,469 --> 02:17:32,399
happened it's been

3463
02:17:38,389 --> 02:17:36,479
exclusive uh with the united states navy

3464
02:17:40,150 --> 02:17:38,399
well and i think some of that at least

3465
02:17:41,429 --> 02:17:40,160
with regard to our adversaries

3466
02:17:43,589 --> 02:17:41,439
we have to think about kind of the

3467
02:17:46,870 --> 02:17:43,599
global landscape

3468
02:17:49,589 --> 02:17:46,880
i think russia and i think north korea

3469
02:17:50,790 --> 02:17:49,599
and china are probably reveling in the

3470
02:17:53,589 --> 02:17:50,800
fact that they see

3471
02:17:55,110 --> 02:17:53,599
that u.s military forces are dealing

3472
02:17:56,150 --> 02:17:55,120
with these objects and they don't know

3473
02:17:58,230 --> 02:17:56,160
what they are

3474
02:18:00,549 --> 02:17:58,240
and admittedly even in press releases

3475
02:18:01,750 --> 02:18:00,559
they say it could be russian it might be

3476
02:18:04,070 --> 02:18:01,760
chinese

3477
02:18:04,870 --> 02:18:04,080
i think our adversaries and i'm not

3478
02:18:07,190 --> 02:18:04,880
saying that

3479
02:18:09,190 --> 02:18:07,200
i necessarily believe this but i think

3480
02:18:12,150 --> 02:18:09,200
our adversaries are reveling

3481
02:18:13,509 --> 02:18:12,160
in the idea that the pentagon might be

3482
02:18:16,790 --> 02:18:13,519
trembling in their pants

3483
02:18:18,549 --> 02:18:16,800
thinking the russians have uh somehow

3484
02:18:20,950 --> 02:18:18,559
leapfrogged in technology

3485
02:18:22,950 --> 02:18:20,960
or the north koreans they're reveling in

3486
02:18:23,509 --> 02:18:22,960
that now our allies that's a different

3487
02:18:26,309 --> 02:18:23,519
story

3488
02:18:28,070 --> 02:18:26,319
obviously but i think with regard to you

3489
02:18:29,669 --> 02:18:28,080
know our adversaries

3490
02:18:31,110 --> 02:18:29,679
they're probably just sitting back and

3491
02:18:32,469 --> 02:18:31,120
laughing and just watching and seeing

3492
02:18:34,629 --> 02:18:32,479
how this all plays out

3493
02:18:35,990 --> 02:18:34,639
at the same time thinking they think it

3494
02:18:37,910 --> 02:18:36,000
might be us

3495
02:18:39,509 --> 02:18:37,920
now you brought up the question before

3496
02:18:40,790 --> 02:18:39,519
the break i want to get back to it which

3497
02:18:43,830 --> 02:18:40,800
is why

3498
02:18:46,309 --> 02:18:43,840
and why now because it's not

3499
02:18:47,990 --> 02:18:46,319
just marco rubio and the senate

3500
02:18:50,950 --> 02:18:48,000
intelligence committee in the department

3501
02:18:55,030 --> 02:18:50,960
of defense and ttsa and lou elizondo

3502
02:18:58,150 --> 02:18:55,040
that's all one direction but we have

3503
02:19:00,870 --> 02:18:58,160
um astronomers the search for alien life

3504
02:19:01,589 --> 02:19:00,880
we have uh exoplanets we have fast radio

3505
02:19:03,429 --> 02:19:01,599
bursts

3506
02:19:04,790 --> 02:19:03,439
we have radio signals from friggin

3507
02:19:07,030 --> 02:19:04,800
europa right

3508
02:19:08,150 --> 02:19:07,040
we've got all of this going on at the

3509
02:19:09,669 --> 02:19:08,160
same time

3510
02:19:11,429 --> 02:19:09,679
as well as the sightings that are

3511
02:19:14,070 --> 02:19:11,439
happening around the world we have

3512
02:19:16,150 --> 02:19:14,080
absolutely we have hollywood we have

3513
02:19:19,190 --> 02:19:16,160
television programming we have

3514
02:19:22,629 --> 02:19:19,200
a film production

3515
02:19:25,830 --> 02:19:22,639
all of this is occurring at the exact

3516
02:19:26,790 --> 02:19:25,840
same time it appears to be a concerted

3517
02:19:30,070 --> 02:19:26,800
effort

3518
02:19:32,870 --> 02:19:30,080
to speak about aliens and an agenda

3519
02:19:33,990 --> 02:19:32,880
and that's can't be coincidence can it

3520
02:19:35,429 --> 02:19:34,000
well i mean i think

3521
02:19:37,190 --> 02:19:35,439
anytime you can say things are a

3522
02:19:38,230 --> 02:19:37,200
coincidence but i don't necessarily

3523
02:19:39,910 --> 02:19:38,240
subscribe to that

3524
02:19:42,230 --> 02:19:39,920
i think what again what you're seeing is

3525
02:19:44,629 --> 02:19:42,240
a gradual erosion of the stigma

3526
02:19:46,469 --> 02:19:44,639
which is lending to all of these things

3527
02:19:50,550 --> 02:19:46,479
coming forward now admittedly like

3528
02:19:52,070 --> 02:19:50,560
you know the uh the discoveries on mars

3529
02:19:55,110 --> 02:19:52,080
that's that's a whole other thing

3530
02:19:55,830 --> 02:19:55,120
but to your point jimmy in the general

3531
02:19:57,429 --> 02:19:55,840
framework

3532
02:19:59,910 --> 02:19:57,439
right of the general public

3533
02:20:01,670 --> 02:19:59,920
acknowledging that there might be life

3534
02:20:03,670 --> 02:20:01,680
on mars you know possible martian

3535
02:20:04,870 --> 02:20:03,680
mushrooms that the story that just came

3536
02:20:08,230 --> 02:20:04,880
out recently

3537
02:20:11,510 --> 02:20:08,240
um all of that lends to that question

3538
02:20:13,270 --> 02:20:11,520
is there life out there and again

3539
02:20:15,670 --> 02:20:13,280
most astronomers will concede that there

3540
02:20:18,630 --> 02:20:15,680
has to be life out there mathematically

3541
02:20:19,510 --> 02:20:18,640
but things are suddenly coming to the

3542
02:20:21,429 --> 02:20:19,520
forefront

3543
02:20:22,870 --> 02:20:21,439
and like you said it's happening all at

3544
02:20:24,790 --> 02:20:22,880
once and

3545
02:20:27,110 --> 02:20:24,800
it's exciting times that we live in and

3546
02:20:28,710 --> 02:20:27,120
i i don't say that lightly

3547
02:20:30,630 --> 02:20:28,720
it's going to be interesting to see how

3548
02:20:32,070 --> 02:20:30,640
these things pan out over time

3549
02:20:33,670 --> 02:20:32,080
the one thing i like to mention though

3550
02:20:34,630 --> 02:20:33,680
you know just taking a step back for a

3551
02:20:37,830 --> 02:20:34,640
moment

3552
02:20:39,670 --> 02:20:37,840
um we still have and you touched on this

3553
02:20:40,389 --> 02:20:39,680
earlier ufo sightings still being

3554
02:20:43,510 --> 02:20:40,399
reported

3555
02:20:44,309 --> 02:20:43,520
worldwide devoid of the dod i'm not

3556
02:20:46,630 --> 02:20:44,319
talking

3557
02:20:48,150 --> 02:20:46,640
about any of the the famous cases that

3558
02:20:49,190 --> 02:20:48,160
we're talking about that 60 minutes

3559
02:20:51,030 --> 02:20:49,200
touched on

3560
02:20:53,429 --> 02:20:51,040
people are still having ufo sightings

3561
02:20:55,349 --> 02:20:53,439
just like they have decades in the past

3562
02:20:57,349 --> 02:20:55,359
so i always try to tell people don't

3563
02:20:59,750 --> 02:20:57,359
hold your breath don't lose sleep over

3564
02:21:00,630 --> 02:20:59,760
waiting for this dod report to come to

3565
02:21:02,550 --> 02:21:00,640
congress

3566
02:21:04,469 --> 02:21:02,560
because at the end of the day we've been

3567
02:21:07,349 --> 02:21:04,479
dealing with this subject for decades

3568
02:21:09,030 --> 02:21:07,359
it will continue regardless of any

3569
02:21:10,469 --> 02:21:09,040
official statements on the part of the

3570
02:21:13,190 --> 02:21:10,479
united states government

3571
02:21:14,870 --> 02:21:13,200
or any other government and i'm going to

3572
02:21:17,190 --> 02:21:14,880
continue to do what i'm doing

3573
02:21:19,270 --> 02:21:17,200
collecting reports analyzing the data

3574
02:21:21,910 --> 02:21:19,280
looking for patterns in the data

3575
02:21:23,590 --> 02:21:21,920
it's not going to curtail what i've

3576
02:21:26,790 --> 02:21:23,600
already been doing and what other good

3577
02:21:30,870 --> 02:21:26,800
ufo researchers are doing worldwide why

3578
02:21:33,910 --> 02:21:30,880
why it doesn't appear that the dod

3579
02:21:37,590 --> 02:21:33,920
in the dia is interested

3580
02:21:40,230 --> 02:21:37,600
in the civilian perspective on this

3581
02:21:40,870 --> 02:21:40,240
right nobody's approached you as far as

3582
02:21:43,830 --> 02:21:40,880
i know

3583
02:21:44,309 --> 02:21:43,840
right from the pentagon in the uap task

3584
02:21:47,670 --> 02:21:44,319
force

3585
02:21:48,469 --> 02:21:47,680
report right why aren't they concerned

3586
02:21:52,469 --> 02:21:48,479
about

3587
02:21:53,990 --> 02:21:52,479
for decades

3588
02:21:55,429 --> 02:21:54,000
i would love to be a paid consultant

3589
02:21:57,830 --> 02:21:55,439
jimmy i wish i could tell you i got a

3590
02:21:59,429 --> 02:21:57,840
government paycheck but i don't

3591
02:22:01,590 --> 02:21:59,439
i still have to maintain my day job in

3592
02:22:05,429 --> 02:22:01,600
addition to doing my ufo research

3593
02:22:06,790 --> 02:22:05,439
um no it is interesting uh although

3594
02:22:09,190 --> 02:22:06,800
i i don't think it's a stretch of the

3595
02:22:12,630 --> 02:22:09,200
imagination to think that

3596
02:22:14,389 --> 02:22:12,640
are they looking online and seeing what

3597
02:22:15,990 --> 02:22:14,399
other researchers are putting out there

3598
02:22:18,469 --> 02:22:16,000
are they collecting that data

3599
02:22:19,190 --> 02:22:18,479
in the background as opposed to directly

3600
02:22:21,510 --> 02:22:19,200
approaching

3601
02:22:22,950 --> 02:22:21,520
researchers like myself and others

3602
02:22:25,429 --> 02:22:22,960
because there is a lot of good data that

3603
02:22:28,550 --> 02:22:25,439
other researchers have put out like scu

3604
02:22:30,389 --> 02:22:28,560
uh scientific coalition on ufology

3605
02:22:31,990 --> 02:22:30,399
um you know they put out some really

3606
02:22:34,070 --> 02:22:32,000
good papers so

3607
02:22:37,110 --> 02:22:34,080
it's readily available it's within the

3608
02:22:39,510 --> 02:22:37,120
public domain and so i think

3609
02:22:41,830 --> 02:22:39,520
they would be ridiculous not to tap into

3610
02:22:43,110 --> 02:22:41,840
those data sources and that information

3611
02:22:46,710 --> 02:22:43,120
that exists out there

3612
02:22:49,990 --> 02:22:46,720
do you expect or hope i should say

3613
02:22:53,670 --> 02:22:50,000
do you expect marco rubio when this

3614
02:22:55,510 --> 02:22:53,680
report uh does make it to the senate

3615
02:22:58,790 --> 02:22:55,520
intelligence committee

3616
02:23:01,030 --> 02:22:58,800
do you see open hearings are they going

3617
02:23:03,750 --> 02:23:01,040
to bring in david fravor

3618
02:23:04,309 --> 02:23:03,760
right are they you know to t not only

3619
02:23:07,990 --> 02:23:04,319
hear

3620
02:23:11,670 --> 02:23:08,000
from uh the pilots but actual

3621
02:23:15,349 --> 02:23:11,680
uh testimony where they are allowed to

3622
02:23:17,110 --> 02:23:15,359
ask questions and and talk about this

3623
02:23:18,790 --> 02:23:17,120
i think i think it's all going to be

3624
02:23:19,510 --> 02:23:18,800
predicated on what comes out in that

3625
02:23:21,190 --> 02:23:19,520
report

3626
02:23:22,950 --> 02:23:21,200
you know if there's some something of

3627
02:23:23,910 --> 02:23:22,960
substance i think yes again as i

3628
02:23:26,469 --> 02:23:23,920
mentioned earlier

3629
02:23:27,590 --> 02:23:26,479
there's forward momentum with regard to

3630
02:23:29,349 --> 02:23:27,600
this

3631
02:23:31,349 --> 02:23:29,359
that report i think will be a defining

3632
02:23:32,790 --> 02:23:31,359
moment if there's something of substance

3633
02:23:35,030 --> 02:23:32,800
there then i think that would be the

3634
02:23:37,270 --> 02:23:35,040
next logical step to your point

3635
02:23:38,309 --> 02:23:37,280
if it's a bunch of fluff and just

3636
02:23:41,510 --> 02:23:38,319
general statements

3637
02:23:42,710 --> 02:23:41,520
then i think you know the senate

3638
02:23:44,070 --> 02:23:42,720
intelligence committee is going to be

3639
02:23:45,990 --> 02:23:44,080
kind of scratching their head trying to

3640
02:23:47,510 --> 02:23:46,000
figure out well what do we do next

3641
02:23:49,190 --> 02:23:47,520
but it's i think it's going to be

3642
02:23:49,910 --> 02:23:49,200
interesting to see what that report

3643
02:23:52,950 --> 02:23:49,920
yields

3644
02:23:55,030 --> 02:23:52,960
now why do you think um and i'm

3645
02:23:58,070 --> 02:23:55,040
sure david that you've thought about

3646
02:24:02,389 --> 02:23:58,080
this uh probably too much

3647
02:24:05,670 --> 02:24:02,399
the leaked videos that have happened

3648
02:24:08,630 --> 02:24:05,680
um were too easily

3649
02:24:09,990 --> 02:24:08,640
shot down right they were too easily

3650
02:24:12,630 --> 02:24:10,000
debunked

3651
02:24:14,230 --> 02:24:12,640
why if you're gonna leak videos why

3652
02:24:15,910 --> 02:24:14,240
don't you leak something

3653
02:24:17,349 --> 02:24:15,920
that you could you know it's got some

3654
02:24:19,349 --> 02:24:17,359
teeth to it

3655
02:24:21,510 --> 02:24:19,359
well i think part of it gets back to

3656
02:24:23,510 --> 02:24:21,520
what i mentioned about our adversaries

3657
02:24:25,110 --> 02:24:23,520
that if they truly are looking at this

3658
02:24:26,790 --> 02:24:25,120
as an objective reality

3659
02:24:28,550 --> 02:24:26,800
that they let's just for the sake of

3660
02:24:31,510 --> 02:24:28,560
argument say don't believe

3661
02:24:33,270 --> 02:24:31,520
is earth-based technology anything that

3662
02:24:35,910 --> 02:24:33,280
they release to the general public

3663
02:24:37,429 --> 02:24:35,920
you are now releasing to russia china

3664
02:24:39,190 --> 02:24:37,439
north korea

3665
02:24:40,790 --> 02:24:39,200
you mentioned it earlier you find it

3666
02:24:42,070 --> 02:24:40,800
hard to believe that they're not sitting

3667
02:24:45,349 --> 02:24:42,080
on better data

3668
02:24:47,110 --> 02:24:45,359
that's out there but again we have to

3669
02:24:48,630 --> 02:24:47,120
realize that as the american public

3670
02:24:49,910 --> 02:24:48,640
anything that's released to us

3671
02:24:52,070 --> 02:24:49,920
you are now releasing to your

3672
02:24:55,510 --> 02:24:52,080
adversaries and if they do

3673
02:24:57,990 --> 02:24:55,520
have extremely dramatic information as

3674
02:24:59,670 --> 02:24:58,000
it relates to ufos uaps

3675
02:25:00,950 --> 02:24:59,680
by sharing it with the general public

3676
02:25:02,870 --> 02:25:00,960
you're now sharing that with your

3677
02:25:04,309 --> 02:25:02,880
adversaries and do you want to do that i

3678
02:25:05,510 --> 02:25:04,319
mean i think we always have to keep in

3679
02:25:07,110 --> 02:25:05,520
mind

3680
02:25:09,590 --> 02:25:07,120
the organizations that we're dealing

3681
02:25:12,389 --> 02:25:09,600
with tasked with national security

3682
02:25:12,870 --> 02:25:12,399
and whether you like it or not history

3683
02:25:15,830 --> 02:25:12,880
shows

3684
02:25:16,950 --> 02:25:15,840
governments are based on secrets and so

3685
02:25:20,309 --> 02:25:16,960
this is no different

3686
02:25:23,429 --> 02:25:20,319
yeah i have a heart look

3687
02:25:27,190 --> 02:25:23,439
um vladimir

3688
02:25:30,230 --> 02:25:27,200
right vladimir putin's a smart dude

3689
02:25:33,910 --> 02:25:30,240
smart guy and if

3690
02:25:37,590 --> 02:25:33,920
our navy if our department of defense

3691
02:25:38,469 --> 02:25:37,600
is excited about the flying toasters

3692
02:25:40,469 --> 02:25:38,479
video

3693
02:25:41,750 --> 02:25:40,479
right and that comes out he's looking

3694
02:25:44,230 --> 02:25:41,760
he's laughing he's not

3695
02:25:45,830 --> 02:25:44,240
he's looking they're freaking out over

3696
02:25:48,550 --> 02:25:45,840
this

3697
02:25:49,910 --> 02:25:48,560
right that is not a pyramid that is not

3698
02:25:54,150 --> 02:25:49,920
anything

3699
02:25:55,670 --> 02:25:54,160
is this the level of intelligence

3700
02:25:58,550 --> 02:25:55,680
i'm talking about the uh the the

3701
02:26:00,389 --> 02:25:58,560
apparatus the level of intelligence

3702
02:26:02,070 --> 02:26:00,399
that is going to be in this report

3703
02:26:03,270 --> 02:26:02,080
that's being leaked out to the mass

3704
02:26:05,590 --> 02:26:03,280
media

3705
02:26:06,830 --> 02:26:05,600
they're laughing at us because that is

3706
02:26:09,910 --> 02:26:06,840
not anything

3707
02:26:11,670 --> 02:26:09,920
extraterrestrial and they know this and

3708
02:26:12,469 --> 02:26:11,680
what data are they sitting on that we're

3709
02:26:14,230 --> 02:26:12,479
not aware of

3710
02:26:15,590 --> 02:26:14,240
that's that's a good question as well

3711
02:26:16,790 --> 02:26:15,600
and one will probably never have the

3712
02:26:19,910 --> 02:26:16,800
answer to

3713
02:26:22,389 --> 02:26:19,920
now uh the other part uh

3714
02:26:24,150 --> 02:26:22,399
to this um can i get you to hang on for

3715
02:26:26,790 --> 02:26:24,160
overtime we're out of time

3716
02:26:27,270 --> 02:26:26,800
okay sure all right so um there's

3717
02:26:30,070 --> 02:26:27,280
another

3718
02:26:32,150 --> 02:26:30,080
there's a lot of chatter out there that

3719
02:26:35,429 --> 02:26:32,160
the tic tac

3720
02:26:37,990 --> 02:26:35,439
may be and i'm part of a a

3721
02:26:39,510 --> 02:26:38,000
pretty tight circle of uh scientists and

3722
02:26:42,870 --> 02:26:39,520
physicists that have been

3723
02:26:46,710 --> 02:26:42,880
analyzing this that are suggesting that

3724
02:26:49,110 --> 02:26:46,720
this is reverse uh engineered

3725
02:26:51,590 --> 02:26:49,120
alien technology that that's what the

3726
02:26:54,150 --> 02:26:51,600
tic tac represents

3727
02:26:55,190 --> 02:26:54,160
it's not extraterrestrial in a direct

3728
02:26:58,309 --> 02:26:55,200
sense

3729
02:26:58,630 --> 02:26:58,319
but it is et's technology that we have

3730
02:27:01,110 --> 02:26:58,640
back

3731
02:27:01,990 --> 02:27:01,120
engineered and that's what we are seeing

3732
02:27:03,990 --> 02:27:02,000
here

3733
02:27:05,270 --> 02:27:04,000
it's certainly i mean let's let's be

3734
02:27:08,790 --> 02:27:05,280
honest uh you know

3735
02:27:09,670 --> 02:27:08,800
any possibility is you know a probable

3736
02:27:13,349 --> 02:27:09,680
answer to this

3737
02:27:15,510 --> 02:27:13,359
question um but to say that

3738
02:27:17,429 --> 02:27:15,520
you have to have evidence right you have

3739
02:27:19,030 --> 02:27:17,439
to be able to base that on something

3740
02:27:20,389 --> 02:27:19,040
not just arbitrarily throw that out

3741
02:27:20,870 --> 02:27:20,399
there you have to have evidence to

3742
02:27:24,309 --> 02:27:20,880
support

3743
02:27:26,630 --> 02:27:24,319
a a ufo did crash a we did

3744
02:27:27,830 --> 02:27:26,640
back engineer it b we perfected the

3745
02:27:30,389 --> 02:27:27,840
technology

3746
02:27:32,469 --> 02:27:30,399
etc etc so i mean it's a great idea it's

3747
02:27:34,309 --> 02:27:32,479
interesting to postulate but

3748
02:27:35,510 --> 02:27:34,319
for those that are making you know the

3749
02:27:37,110 --> 02:27:35,520
argument

3750
02:27:38,790 --> 02:27:37,120
the burden of proof is on you to then

3751
02:27:41,590 --> 02:27:38,800
prove that

3752
02:27:44,870 --> 02:27:41,600
are we getting too far when we can uh

3753
02:27:48,630 --> 02:27:44,880
expand on this after the break um

3754
02:27:52,790 --> 02:27:48,640
are we getting too far ahead of our skis

3755
02:27:55,870 --> 02:27:52,800
to suggest that this possible uap

3756
02:27:57,990 --> 02:27:55,880
drone activity whatever it may be is

3757
02:28:00,550 --> 02:27:58,000
extraterrestrial is that getting too far

3758
02:28:02,550 --> 02:28:00,560
ahead of our skis and is something

3759
02:28:05,190 --> 02:28:02,560
easier to digest

3760
02:28:06,230 --> 02:28:05,200
is that yeah okay something crash landed

3761
02:28:08,230 --> 02:28:06,240
we checked out

3762
02:28:09,830 --> 02:28:08,240
the propulsion system we were able to

3763
02:28:11,030 --> 02:28:09,840
backwards engineer that i'm talking

3764
02:28:14,309 --> 02:28:11,040
about russia

3765
02:28:18,309 --> 02:28:14,319
right over china not necessarily us that

3766
02:28:22,070 --> 02:28:18,319
these you know the tic tac was us

3767
02:28:22,550 --> 02:28:22,080
over our own navy but maybe somebody

3768
02:28:25,590 --> 02:28:22,560
made

3769
02:28:28,710 --> 02:28:25,600
a big leap into the future and

3770
02:28:30,710 --> 02:28:28,720
they are testing it on us again i think

3771
02:28:32,150 --> 02:28:30,720
uh the best thing we can label these

3772
02:28:35,110 --> 02:28:32,160
things are unknown

3773
02:28:36,630 --> 02:28:35,120
uh what you offered is one potential

3774
02:28:37,750 --> 02:28:36,640
possibility

3775
02:28:40,309 --> 02:28:37,760
and that's what we have to look at are

3776
02:28:42,070 --> 02:28:40,319
possibilities however before we hang our

3777
02:28:43,990 --> 02:28:42,080
hats on any one

3778
02:28:45,270 --> 02:28:44,000
explanation we have to have evidence to

3779
02:28:48,389 --> 02:28:45,280
back it up now

3780
02:28:48,790 --> 02:28:48,399
what uh before we head to the break what

3781
02:28:51,910 --> 02:28:48,800
would

3782
02:28:52,230 --> 02:28:51,920
scare what makes you more nervous that

3783
02:29:00,950 --> 02:28:52,240
this

3784
02:29:05,349 --> 02:29:00,960
or that it's us what scares you more

3785
02:29:09,750 --> 02:29:06,830
i haven't been asked that question

3786
02:29:12,469 --> 02:29:09,760
before uh

3787
02:29:14,150 --> 02:29:12,479
extraterrestrial might scare me less in

3788
02:29:15,349 --> 02:29:14,160
the sense that i know what humans are

3789
02:29:18,469 --> 02:29:15,359
capable of

3790
02:29:21,030 --> 02:29:18,479
you know isn't that isn't that weird i'm

3791
02:29:23,110 --> 02:29:21,040
right with you on that i would rather

3792
02:29:25,990 --> 02:29:23,120
have it be e.t

3793
02:29:26,870 --> 02:29:26,000
right than vladimir sporting the real

3794
02:29:29,990 --> 02:29:26,880
stuff

3795
02:29:30,309 --> 02:29:30,000
well i i just and to bolster that it's

3796
02:29:34,150 --> 02:29:30,319
just

3797
02:29:36,630 --> 02:29:34,160
they're technologically advanced i hope

3798
02:29:40,389 --> 02:29:36,640
they're morally advanced as well

3799
02:29:42,230 --> 02:29:40,399
well apparently let's take our break

3800
02:29:44,710 --> 02:29:42,240
that's a great point i'm gonna

3801
02:29:46,309 --> 02:29:44,720
we're gonna come back and finish that

3802
02:29:48,469 --> 02:29:46,319
thought our guest tonight

3803
02:29:49,349 --> 02:29:48,479
david marlar we're going into overtime

3804
02:29:51,510 --> 02:29:49,359
folks

3805
02:29:53,750 --> 02:29:51,520
all right there's no show tomorrow night

3806
02:29:54,950 --> 02:29:53,760
i will be on a plane heading back to

3807
02:29:56,870 --> 02:29:54,960
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3808
02:29:58,550 --> 02:29:56,880
so let's go ahead and do this the right

3809
02:30:00,230 --> 02:29:58,560
way let's go into overtime

3810
02:30:01,750 --> 02:30:00,240
i'm with you this is fade to black i'm

3811
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your host jimmy church more david

3812
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marlar i want to remind everybody

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is don't send me any email don't post on

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social media words there is no show

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tomorrow night okay i'm gonna be flying

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going back to indianapolis go see my

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family our guest tonight david marlar

3923
02:35:30,710 --> 02:35:28,000
now david

3924
02:35:31,750 --> 02:35:30,720
okay overtime is where i get to have a

3925
02:35:34,630 --> 02:35:31,760
little bit of fun

3926
02:35:35,030 --> 02:35:34,640
and i try to loosen up a little bit um

3927
02:35:37,830 --> 02:35:35,040
and

3928
02:35:39,510 --> 02:35:37,840
so let's attempt that but but i actually

3929
02:35:42,790 --> 02:35:39,520
have a pretty serious question

3930
02:35:45,910 --> 02:35:42,800
uh and it's about black triangles in you

3931
02:35:46,550 --> 02:35:45,920
there's a lot of uh a lot of rumors over

3932
02:35:50,710 --> 02:35:46,560
the last

3933
02:35:52,550 --> 02:35:50,720
uh about about a year now about this now

3934
02:35:54,150 --> 02:35:52,560
i would say infamous i don't i don't

3935
02:35:57,030 --> 02:35:54,160
know if we can call it famous

3936
02:35:59,030 --> 02:35:57,040
yet maybe infamous is a better word

3937
02:36:01,990 --> 02:35:59,040
about a black triangle

3938
02:36:04,150 --> 02:36:02,000
image that has been circulated around

3939
02:36:05,670 --> 02:36:04,160
the intelligence agencies a lot of

3940
02:36:09,110 --> 02:36:05,680
concern

3941
02:36:11,190 --> 02:36:09,120
about this black triangle uh

3942
02:36:13,510 --> 02:36:11,200
coming out of the water with three

3943
02:36:14,070 --> 02:36:13,520
lights on it and you can see all of this

3944
02:36:17,590 --> 02:36:14,080
detail

3945
02:36:20,870 --> 02:36:17,600
i was actually emailed the image

3946
02:36:22,950 --> 02:36:20,880
um if it is the same image and i got it

3947
02:36:23,830 --> 02:36:22,960
last week i didn't i didn't comment on

3948
02:36:26,710 --> 02:36:23,840
it because i was

3949
02:36:27,830 --> 02:36:26,720
i was a little bit let down i didn't see

3950
02:36:31,429 --> 02:36:27,840
any water

3951
02:36:33,270 --> 02:36:31,439
um and it was it wasn't

3952
02:36:34,469 --> 02:36:33,280
what i expected so i don't know if it's

3953
02:36:39,270 --> 02:36:34,479
the same image

3954
02:36:41,590 --> 02:36:39,280
it's cool um have you seen the image

3955
02:36:43,670 --> 02:36:41,600
i have not so as you're telling me this

3956
02:36:45,910 --> 02:36:43,680
story i'm i'm salivating

3957
02:36:47,910 --> 02:36:45,920
at the thought of eventually seeing the

3958
02:36:49,990 --> 02:36:47,920
actual image and to your point you know

3959
02:36:51,830 --> 02:36:50,000
you can't verify if what you received is

3960
02:36:52,790 --> 02:36:51,840
in fact the purported image that's been

3961
02:36:54,870 --> 02:36:52,800
discussed

3962
02:36:56,550 --> 02:36:54,880
um i did make some inquiries with some

3963
02:36:57,190 --> 02:36:56,560
some people i do know kind of on the

3964
02:37:00,550 --> 02:36:57,200
inside

3965
02:37:01,030 --> 02:37:00,560
within dod and they did indicate to me

3966
02:37:02,469 --> 02:37:01,040
uh

3967
02:37:04,230 --> 02:37:02,479
several months ago actually about four

3968
02:37:06,150 --> 02:37:04,240
or five months ago now that

3969
02:37:07,910 --> 02:37:06,160
they feel that that photo will

3970
02:37:10,230 --> 02:37:07,920
eventually be released

3971
02:37:11,429 --> 02:37:10,240
similar to the dod videos you know that

3972
02:37:13,910 --> 02:37:11,439
they were eventually

3973
02:37:16,150 --> 02:37:13,920
and i'm hoping and again i will probably

3974
02:37:19,349 --> 02:37:16,160
be proven wrong but i'm hoping

3975
02:37:21,110 --> 02:37:19,359
rather naively probably jimmy that maybe

3976
02:37:23,990 --> 02:37:21,120
that will be part of the

3977
02:37:24,870 --> 02:37:24,000
report that goes to the senate uh

3978
02:37:27,910 --> 02:37:24,880
subcommittee

3979
02:37:31,429 --> 02:37:27,920
uh on intelligence uh what i

3980
02:37:35,030 --> 02:37:31,439
was sent it may be a cropped version

3981
02:37:38,070 --> 02:37:35,040
of the image um

3982
02:37:40,790 --> 02:37:38,080
what i was sent

3983
02:37:41,510 --> 02:37:40,800
just a plain nearly a plain black

3984
02:37:44,950 --> 02:37:41,520
background

3985
02:37:46,630 --> 02:37:44,960
some stuff on the edges and if

3986
02:37:48,630 --> 02:37:46,640
if the lights are on the bottom then

3987
02:37:51,750 --> 02:37:48,640
this would be the bottom

3988
02:37:55,270 --> 02:37:51,760
of the triangle um

3989
02:37:57,750 --> 02:37:55,280
now say uh look at me

3990
02:37:59,349 --> 02:37:57,760
david you're looking at okay say the

3991
02:38:02,230 --> 02:37:59,359
image is this big

3992
02:38:03,190 --> 02:38:02,240
well the triangle would have been about

3993
02:38:06,150 --> 02:38:03,200
oh my god yeah

3994
02:38:07,590 --> 02:38:06,160
big in the middle three white dots but i

3995
02:38:11,349 --> 02:38:07,600
couldn't see any details

3996
02:38:13,910 --> 02:38:11,359
on the underside um uh

3997
02:38:15,429 --> 02:38:13,920
from what i was told by uh the two

3998
02:38:18,950 --> 02:38:15,439
people that have

3999
02:38:19,750 --> 02:38:18,960
seen alleged said image that they could

4000
02:38:21,990 --> 02:38:19,760
see

4001
02:38:22,790 --> 02:38:22,000
details and that it was crystal clear

4002
02:38:26,469 --> 02:38:22,800
and thing

4003
02:38:30,550 --> 02:38:26,479
so what what i was sent interesting

4004
02:38:31,349 --> 02:38:30,560
but i don't know now going back to your

4005
02:38:35,030 --> 02:38:31,359
knowledge

4006
02:38:38,309 --> 02:38:35,040
of black triangles the tr-3b

4007
02:38:40,550 --> 02:38:38,319
the descriptions that have been uh uh

4008
02:38:42,150 --> 02:38:40,560
bandied about over a couple of decades

4009
02:38:45,349 --> 02:38:42,160
now this goes back

4010
02:38:47,190 --> 02:38:45,359
we even uh in a modern sense if we go

4011
02:38:49,670 --> 02:38:47,200
back to belgium

4012
02:38:50,790 --> 02:38:49,680
and the descriptions that that's pretty

4013
02:38:53,110 --> 02:38:50,800
modern to me because

4014
02:38:54,309 --> 02:38:53,120
it's the mid 80s right okay oh yeah in

4015
02:38:57,429 --> 02:38:54,319
november 89

4016
02:39:00,950 --> 02:38:57,439
yeah november right right

4017
02:39:02,790 --> 02:39:00,960
um do you use do you

4018
02:39:04,230 --> 02:39:02,800
normally when you hear this type of

4019
02:39:06,790 --> 02:39:04,240
description

4020
02:39:08,830 --> 02:39:06,800
do you go terrestrial first are you

4021
02:39:11,670 --> 02:39:08,840
thinking that this is a black

4022
02:39:14,469 --> 02:39:11,680
ops special access program

4023
02:39:14,790 --> 02:39:14,479
united states air force northrop grumman

4024
02:39:17,910 --> 02:39:14,800
uh

4025
02:39:18,309 --> 02:39:17,920
skunk works yeah i i always concede that

4026
02:39:20,389 --> 02:39:18,319
with

4027
02:39:22,309 --> 02:39:20,399
the quote unquote modern reports we

4028
02:39:23,510 --> 02:39:22,319
can't rule that out as a possibility and

4029
02:39:23,990 --> 02:39:23,520
certainly that would be a much more

4030
02:39:25,830 --> 02:39:24,000
practical

4031
02:39:27,990 --> 02:39:25,840
explanation as opposed to saying it's

4032
02:39:29,990 --> 02:39:28,000
someone else's technology

4033
02:39:32,230 --> 02:39:30,000
but you know i have reports like this

4034
02:39:35,110 --> 02:39:32,240
for like 1965 where they're

4035
02:39:37,510 --> 02:39:35,120
they're describing silent triangles uh

4036
02:39:39,910 --> 02:39:37,520
flying over military areas

4037
02:39:41,110 --> 02:39:39,920
and other ones going back to like 1957

4038
02:39:42,389 --> 02:39:41,120
that i've recently uncovered going

4039
02:39:44,389 --> 02:39:42,399
through a microfilm which was just

4040
02:39:46,630 --> 02:39:44,399
donated to the collection here

4041
02:39:47,670 --> 02:39:46,640
and uh they're describing silent large

4042
02:39:50,469 --> 02:39:47,680
triangles with

4043
02:39:52,469 --> 02:39:50,479
three bright lights one in each point uh

4044
02:39:54,710 --> 02:39:52,479
sometimes moving with a base forward

4045
02:39:56,469 --> 02:39:54,720
so i always say when you look at the

4046
02:39:58,550 --> 02:39:56,479
historical record

4047
02:40:00,389 --> 02:39:58,560
i think that you can't say they're all

4048
02:40:02,389 --> 02:40:00,399
military if you subscribe to the fact

4049
02:40:05,110 --> 02:40:02,399
that some of the modern ones are

4050
02:40:05,990 --> 02:40:05,120
when you look at this long history of

4051
02:40:07,990 --> 02:40:06,000
these things and

4052
02:40:09,030 --> 02:40:08,000
so it begs the question as you touched

4053
02:40:11,190 --> 02:40:09,040
on earlier jimmy

4054
02:40:12,630 --> 02:40:11,200
are these terrestrial are they

4055
02:40:14,150 --> 02:40:12,640
extraterrestrial are they back

4056
02:40:17,269 --> 02:40:14,160
engineered technology

4057
02:40:20,309 --> 02:40:17,279
since one seems to you know

4058
02:40:21,910 --> 02:40:20,319
reflect the other i don't know but i

4059
02:40:22,389 --> 02:40:21,920
think we're dealing with a mixed bag i

4060
02:40:24,710 --> 02:40:22,399
don't

4061
02:40:26,230 --> 02:40:24,720
it's very easy for a researcher for

4062
02:40:28,870 --> 02:40:26,240
anyone in the general public to just

4063
02:40:31,510 --> 02:40:28,880
relegate all of these to one category

4064
02:40:32,790 --> 02:40:31,520
and i think you and i will agree uh life

4065
02:40:34,870 --> 02:40:32,800
is shades of gray

4066
02:40:36,550 --> 02:40:34,880
it's not so simple where it just goes in

4067
02:40:37,910 --> 02:40:36,560
in this category or that

4068
02:40:40,710 --> 02:40:37,920
category we might be dealing with a

4069
02:40:43,510 --> 02:40:40,720
mixed bag and what i look for

4070
02:40:45,030 --> 02:40:43,520
is not so much the shape of the object

4071
02:40:47,670 --> 02:40:45,040
the lighting characteristics i look for

4072
02:40:49,750 --> 02:40:47,680
the exotic flight characteristics like

4073
02:40:51,429 --> 02:40:49,760
for example as i alluded to many of

4074
02:40:54,309 --> 02:40:51,439
these reports i've just found one from

4075
02:40:55,830 --> 02:40:54,319
actually 1966 in ohio going through the

4076
02:40:58,230 --> 02:40:55,840
kufos nightcap files

4077
02:40:59,750 --> 02:40:58,240
with some beautiful sketches i might add

4078
02:41:02,950 --> 02:40:59,760
showing a triangle

4079
02:41:04,950 --> 02:41:02,960
with lights around the periphery but

4080
02:41:06,630 --> 02:41:04,960
all three witnesses drew separate

4081
02:41:07,750 --> 02:41:06,640
sketches and they described the triangle

4082
02:41:10,150 --> 02:41:07,760
with the bass moving

4083
02:41:13,349 --> 02:41:10,160
as the leading edge right now we're

4084
02:41:16,469 --> 02:41:13,359
looking at f117a b2 stealth bomber

4085
02:41:18,309 --> 02:41:16,479
any known aircraft

4086
02:41:19,830 --> 02:41:18,319
with aerodynamic principles you would

4087
02:41:21,269 --> 02:41:19,840
think the apex of the triangle would be

4088
02:41:22,630 --> 02:41:21,279
the leading edge just because it makes

4089
02:41:24,790 --> 02:41:22,640
aerodynamic sense

4090
02:41:26,070 --> 02:41:24,800
right uh but many of these are not

4091
02:41:28,870 --> 02:41:26,080
they're flying with the flat

4092
02:41:29,590 --> 02:41:28,880
side which is about as aerodynamic as a

4093
02:41:32,070 --> 02:41:29,600
brick

4094
02:41:34,230 --> 02:41:32,080
i was uh i was out in the mojave desert

4095
02:41:39,110 --> 02:41:34,240
i've told the story way too many times

4096
02:41:42,710 --> 02:41:39,120
but i was at the mojave desert and uh

4097
02:41:44,870 --> 02:41:42,720
right next to the uh the boneyard

4098
02:41:46,150 --> 02:41:44,880
where the uh where the aircraft are

4099
02:41:48,150 --> 02:41:46,160
parked and dismantled

4100
02:41:50,070 --> 02:41:48,160
right okay so i'm right there coming up

4101
02:41:54,630 --> 02:41:50,080
the 14 freeway

4102
02:41:57,910 --> 02:41:54,640
and i see this object skimming across

4103
02:41:59,910 --> 02:41:57,920
uh the deck right and i see the dust

4104
02:42:01,990 --> 02:41:59,920
flying up and i'm like wow what is that

4105
02:42:05,269 --> 02:42:02,000
i'm with a friend dan

4106
02:42:09,269 --> 02:42:05,279
and uh and we slow down and it

4107
02:42:12,150 --> 02:42:09,279
flew right oh i mean and it's a b2

4108
02:42:13,590 --> 02:42:12,160
now flew right over i mean just it

4109
02:42:16,469 --> 02:42:13,600
couldn't have been

4110
02:42:18,150 --> 02:42:16,479
now it was probably higher but it felt

4111
02:42:21,349 --> 02:42:18,160
like it was like 10 feet right

4112
02:42:24,710 --> 02:42:21,359
it was just like sure silent

4113
02:42:27,429 --> 02:42:24,720
and and i i was just amazed

4114
02:42:29,830 --> 02:42:27,439
never seen it in public there were

4115
02:42:30,950 --> 02:42:29,840
rumors about it now i see it fly over my

4116
02:42:33,990 --> 02:42:30,960
car

4117
02:42:35,429 --> 02:42:34,000
yeah that was as alien as anything you

4118
02:42:37,990 --> 02:42:35,439
could imagine

4119
02:42:38,790 --> 02:42:38,000
right i need to fly over me straight up

4120
02:42:41,670 --> 02:42:38,800
straight up

4121
02:42:43,750 --> 02:42:41,680
dude that's alien right when i lived in

4122
02:42:45,349 --> 02:42:43,760
saint louis uh the b2 flew over

4123
02:42:47,110 --> 02:42:45,359
downtown st louis for one of the

4124
02:42:48,790 --> 02:42:47,120
baseball games and uh

4125
02:42:51,110 --> 02:42:48,800
i knew where it was going to be coming

4126
02:42:52,070 --> 02:42:51,120
from and so i kind of had myself poised

4127
02:42:53,990 --> 02:42:52,080
and ready and

4128
02:42:55,190 --> 02:42:54,000
i sat there and sure enough the the b2

4129
02:42:57,269 --> 02:42:55,200
flew straight over but i

4130
02:42:59,750 --> 02:42:57,279
i did hear engine noise uh it wasn't

4131
02:43:01,990 --> 02:42:59,760
silent uh but it's uh

4132
02:43:03,030 --> 02:43:02,000
it's it's quite a spectacle to see that

4133
02:43:05,830 --> 02:43:03,040
yeah

4134
02:43:06,830 --> 02:43:05,840
if you didn't know any better right if

4135
02:43:11,110 --> 02:43:06,840
that thing was up

4136
02:43:14,309 --> 02:43:11,120
higher and and you had no idea

4137
02:43:15,670 --> 02:43:14,319
that's that's et that's a black triangle

4138
02:43:17,670 --> 02:43:15,680
it's funny you bring that up jimmy

4139
02:43:20,950 --> 02:43:17,680
because uh i have in the files

4140
02:43:23,030 --> 02:43:20,960
news clippings and reports from the

4141
02:43:24,710 --> 02:43:23,040
mid to late 80s around the antelope

4142
02:43:27,269 --> 02:43:24,720
valley area of california

4143
02:43:27,990 --> 02:43:27,279
which is where this was yes well there

4144
02:43:31,110 --> 02:43:28,000
you go

4145
02:43:34,070 --> 02:43:31,120
and people were describing at the time

4146
02:43:34,870 --> 02:43:34,080
quote unquote ufo that was seen that

4147
02:43:38,389 --> 02:43:34,880
looked like

4148
02:43:41,510 --> 02:43:38,399
a batwing shaped object and

4149
02:43:42,389 --> 02:43:41,520
it wasn't until 1989 that the b2 was

4150
02:43:45,670 --> 02:43:42,399
revealed

4151
02:43:49,269 --> 02:43:45,680
unveiled and then people realized

4152
02:43:50,950 --> 02:43:49,279
okay that's what we saw so it was a ufo

4153
02:43:52,710 --> 02:43:50,960
until they realized that the b2

4154
02:43:54,710 --> 02:43:52,720
existed yeah it was um and they

4155
02:43:57,590 --> 02:43:54,720
described the batwing shaped object

4156
02:43:57,990 --> 02:43:57,600
however many of the witnesses noted it

4157
02:43:59,429 --> 02:43:58,000
had an

4158
02:44:01,030 --> 02:43:59,439
unusual shape but it had a

4159
02:44:03,269 --> 02:44:01,040
characteristic jet engine

4160
02:44:04,630 --> 02:44:03,279
sound to it yeah i didn't hear this

4161
02:44:08,309 --> 02:44:04,640
coming and

4162
02:44:11,349 --> 02:44:08,319
after it flew past us it was

4163
02:44:14,790 --> 02:44:11,359
um there was a jet engine

4164
02:44:18,230 --> 02:44:14,800
sound but it was completely muted

4165
02:44:19,830 --> 02:44:18,240
i heard i heard the wind going over the

4166
02:44:22,710 --> 02:44:19,840
wings

4167
02:44:24,309 --> 02:44:22,720
more than i heard the engines sure sure

4168
02:44:27,670 --> 02:44:24,319
it was crazy it was crazy but

4169
02:44:28,870 --> 02:44:27,680
okay but hold on i i gotta we only have

4170
02:44:32,150 --> 02:44:28,880
so much time

4171
02:44:35,670 --> 02:44:32,160
so we have these reports right

4172
02:44:37,429 --> 02:44:35,680
terrestrial uh of f-117 that

4173
02:44:39,990 --> 02:44:37,439
that's a flying triangle if there ever

4174
02:44:42,309 --> 02:44:40,000
was one absolutely but then we have the

4175
02:44:46,349 --> 02:44:42,319
reports of these

4176
02:44:47,990 --> 02:44:46,359
imperial star cruisers right these

4177
02:44:50,389 --> 02:44:48,000
ginormous

4178
02:44:51,990 --> 02:44:50,399
black triangles that are a mile long

4179
02:44:54,870 --> 02:44:52,000
half mile long

4180
02:44:56,630 --> 02:44:54,880
uh blocking out the sun and blocking out

4181
02:44:59,429 --> 02:44:56,640
stars

4182
02:45:00,790 --> 02:44:59,439
that's a whole nother consideration

4183
02:45:02,710 --> 02:45:00,800
that's a whole other consideration i'm

4184
02:45:05,750 --> 02:45:02,720
glad you you used the imperial

4185
02:45:07,429 --> 02:45:05,760
uh reference because uh during the

4186
02:45:09,349 --> 02:45:07,439
unidentified episode i did with chris

4187
02:45:11,910 --> 02:45:09,359
mellon uh dr david clark

4188
02:45:13,750 --> 02:45:11,920
uh from the uk was on there and he was

4189
02:45:13,990 --> 02:45:13,760
nay saying all of the triangle reports

4190
02:45:16,230 --> 02:45:14,000
saying

4191
02:45:18,630 --> 02:45:16,240
well we need to realize that these

4192
02:45:21,349 --> 02:45:18,640
didn't start appearing until 1977

4193
02:45:22,790 --> 02:45:21,359
78 and after and i think we need to look

4194
02:45:24,630 --> 02:45:22,800
at it and basically people

4195
02:45:25,830 --> 02:45:24,640
what his contention was is that people

4196
02:45:27,269 --> 02:45:25,840
saw star wars

4197
02:45:28,870 --> 02:45:27,279
and then now people are looking up and

4198
02:45:31,750 --> 02:45:28,880
seeing star destroyers

4199
02:45:32,469 --> 02:45:31,760
um i had some i well i had numerous

4200
02:45:35,910 --> 02:45:32,479
people

4201
02:45:37,910 --> 02:45:35,920
still today

4202
02:45:41,030 --> 02:45:37,920
after seeing that unidentified episode

4203
02:45:43,269 --> 02:45:41,040
and and one woman very vehemently stated

4204
02:45:45,349 --> 02:45:43,279
i want to let you know my husband and i

4205
02:45:47,670 --> 02:45:45,359
saw this in 1973

4206
02:45:49,590 --> 02:45:47,680
and fyi contrary to that so-called

4207
02:45:51,590 --> 02:45:49,600
expert in the uk that was four years

4208
02:45:54,790 --> 02:45:51,600
before we saw star wars

4209
02:45:56,710 --> 02:45:54,800
um did you meet david clarke no

4210
02:45:58,150 --> 02:45:56,720
never ever have met or interacted with

4211
02:46:01,269 --> 02:45:58,160
it okay good for you okay

4212
02:46:04,070 --> 02:46:01,279
i just want to know what he was like i

4213
02:46:05,590 --> 02:46:04,080
just wanted to i got an email from him

4214
02:46:09,670 --> 02:46:05,600
uh

4215
02:46:10,389 --> 02:46:09,680
know so church let's do something i was

4216
02:46:14,950 --> 02:46:10,399
like you know

4217
02:46:17,110 --> 02:46:14,960
uh nah well you know i i'm gonna pass

4218
02:46:18,630 --> 02:46:17,120
it doesn't it doesn't matter what you

4219
02:46:20,309 --> 02:46:18,640
believe as i said earlier it only

4220
02:46:21,190 --> 02:46:20,319
matters what the data reflects and i

4221
02:46:23,590 --> 02:46:21,200
have dozens

4222
02:46:25,429 --> 02:46:23,600
and dozens and dozens of triangular ufo

4223
02:46:27,670 --> 02:46:25,439
reports worldwide

4224
02:46:28,870 --> 02:46:27,680
pre-dating star wars so if you would

4225
02:46:30,630 --> 02:46:28,880
ever like to sit down and have a

4226
02:46:31,110 --> 02:46:30,640
discussion i would love to educate him

4227
02:46:34,070 --> 02:46:31,120
on that

4228
02:46:35,269 --> 02:46:34,080
well there are okay i'm going to share

4229
02:46:38,550 --> 02:46:35,279
something i'm going to make this

4230
02:46:39,349 --> 02:46:38,560
the quick version um one of my neighbors

4231
02:46:43,110 --> 02:46:39,359
sons

4232
02:46:45,190 --> 02:46:43,120
uh who i've known for about 10 years um

4233
02:46:46,630 --> 02:46:45,200
so he comes over his name's mikey mikey

4234
02:46:47,830 --> 02:46:46,640
if you're listening okay i'm going to

4235
02:46:51,030 --> 02:46:47,840
throw you under the bus

4236
02:46:52,150 --> 02:46:51,040
so mikey comes over and and he goes so

4237
02:46:54,150 --> 02:46:52,160
jimmy and i

4238
02:46:55,190 --> 02:46:54,160
you know everybody knows what i do for a

4239
02:46:57,670 --> 02:46:55,200
job right but

4240
02:46:58,790 --> 02:46:57,680
i don't talk to my neighbors about ufos

4241
02:47:01,269 --> 02:46:58,800
don't do it

4242
02:47:01,910 --> 02:47:01,279
but mikey comes over and goes hey man so

4243
02:47:04,630 --> 02:47:01,920
i'm out

4244
02:47:06,230 --> 02:47:04,640
in palmdale antelope valley right

4245
02:47:07,910 --> 02:47:06,240
absolutely and he said three o'clock in

4246
02:47:11,269 --> 02:47:07,920
the morning man i'm like uh

4247
02:47:12,870 --> 02:47:11,279
i'm like 13 14 years old and

4248
02:47:15,670 --> 02:47:12,880
it was three o'clock in the morning and

4249
02:47:18,469 --> 02:47:15,680
and i walked out uh the back door

4250
02:47:18,870 --> 02:47:18,479
and this uh the stars it just got really

4251
02:47:21,750 --> 02:47:18,880
dark

4252
02:47:23,190 --> 02:47:21,760
outside and i look up and he goes dude

4253
02:47:26,630 --> 02:47:23,200
i'm not kidding man

4254
02:47:29,510 --> 02:47:26,640
it was like a two mile long triangle

4255
02:47:31,910 --> 02:47:29,520
black craft right over the house and he

4256
02:47:32,550 --> 02:47:31,920
goes and i could see it and it's moving

4257
02:47:34,630 --> 02:47:32,560
this way

4258
02:47:36,389 --> 02:47:34,640
and it was just and i freak out i go and

4259
02:47:37,990 --> 02:47:36,399
i bang on the neighbor's doors

4260
02:47:39,910 --> 02:47:38,000
i'm trying to get everybody out and he

4261
02:47:42,710 --> 02:47:39,920
goes and i'm wondering

4262
02:47:43,590 --> 02:47:42,720
we've got the air force base right here

4263
02:47:46,070 --> 02:47:43,600
why aren't they

4264
02:47:47,349 --> 02:47:46,080
shooting at this where are the police

4265
02:47:48,550 --> 02:47:47,359
why aren't they trying to shoot this

4266
02:47:50,309 --> 02:47:48,560
thing out of the sky

4267
02:47:51,670 --> 02:47:50,319
and he goes i go over and i'm standing

4268
02:47:55,110 --> 02:47:51,680
underneath this and it's last

4269
02:47:58,630 --> 02:47:55,120
and he said then it went like an

4270
02:48:02,150 --> 02:47:58,640
elevator and disappeared into the stars

4271
02:48:05,670 --> 02:48:02,160
and i'm like come on and he goes man

4272
02:48:08,630 --> 02:48:05,680
i wouldn't walk outside in the dark

4273
02:48:09,670 --> 02:48:08,640
for years i only went outside during the

4274
02:48:13,429 --> 02:48:09,680
daytime

4275
02:48:17,030 --> 02:48:13,439
it freaked me out and now this is just

4276
02:48:19,510 --> 02:48:17,040
just just a kid right and i believe

4277
02:48:20,710 --> 02:48:19,520
everything that he said well it's

4278
02:48:22,550 --> 02:48:20,720
interesting you bring that because it

4279
02:48:24,950 --> 02:48:22,560
brings up a couple points one

4280
02:48:27,269 --> 02:48:24,960
uh the the case i investigated back in

4281
02:48:27,910 --> 02:48:27,279
2000 for mufon was the famous southern

4282
02:48:30,150 --> 02:48:27,920
illinois

4283
02:48:31,349 --> 02:48:30,160
sinclair county triangular ufo one of

4284
02:48:33,269 --> 02:48:31,359
the best officers

4285
02:48:35,670 --> 02:48:33,279
one of them is well documented yes well

4286
02:48:37,030 --> 02:48:35,680
document but we have the recordings of

4287
02:48:38,309 --> 02:48:37,040
the police officers talking to one

4288
02:48:40,469 --> 02:48:38,319
another as they're seeing it

4289
02:48:41,349 --> 02:48:40,479
successively from police precinct to

4290
02:48:42,710 --> 02:48:41,359
police precinct

4291
02:48:46,070 --> 02:48:42,720
very similar to the first night of the

4292
02:48:48,469 --> 02:48:46,080
belgian wave in november 29th 1989.

4293
02:48:49,830 --> 02:48:48,479
um what's interesting about that though

4294
02:48:52,230 --> 02:48:49,840
is you know

4295
02:48:53,990 --> 02:48:52,240
they're describing this object and it

4296
02:48:55,590 --> 02:48:54,000
flew within one to two miles of scott

4297
02:48:58,230 --> 02:48:55,600
air force base

4298
02:48:59,990 --> 02:48:58,240
yet we have no witnesses that saw it

4299
02:49:00,630 --> 02:49:00,000
taking off or landing at scott air force

4300
02:49:03,910 --> 02:49:00,640
now

4301
02:49:06,710 --> 02:49:03,920
did they make a u-turn around scott

4302
02:49:07,590 --> 02:49:06,720
right it turned it it flew multiple

4303
02:49:10,710 --> 02:49:07,600
counties

4304
02:49:11,990 --> 02:49:10,720
and and turned yes it flew within one to

4305
02:49:14,070 --> 02:49:12,000
two miles of scout air force

4306
02:49:15,590 --> 02:49:14,080
base then moved to the southwest right

4307
02:49:17,990 --> 02:49:15,600
then it kind of made it

4308
02:49:19,590 --> 02:49:18,000
uh as far as we can estimate jimmy

4309
02:49:21,110 --> 02:49:19,600
because then we got subsequent

4310
02:49:22,630 --> 02:49:21,120
reports that came in that may be

4311
02:49:24,870 --> 02:49:22,640
contradicted but

4312
02:49:26,070 --> 02:49:24,880
the initial reports suggested that it

4313
02:49:28,630 --> 02:49:26,080
flew uh

4314
02:49:29,190 --> 02:49:28,640
near milstad illinois then over towards

4315
02:49:30,710 --> 02:49:29,200
dupo

4316
02:49:32,389 --> 02:49:30,720
and then the police officer thought he

4317
02:49:33,510 --> 02:49:32,399
saw it but it was much higher altitude

4318
02:49:37,030 --> 02:49:33,520
and it was moving

4319
02:49:38,630 --> 02:49:37,040
uh to the uh the northeast and so we

4320
02:49:40,309 --> 02:49:38,640
think it basically

4321
02:49:42,070 --> 02:49:40,319
disappeared from the original direction

4322
02:49:43,750 --> 02:49:42,080
it came but

4323
02:49:45,349 --> 02:49:43,760
no reports of it taking off are landing

4324
02:49:47,269 --> 02:49:45,359
at scott and people

4325
02:49:49,030 --> 02:49:47,279
you know again correlation is not

4326
02:49:50,550 --> 02:49:49,040
necessarily causation just because we

4327
02:49:52,070 --> 02:49:50,560
see these things near military bases

4328
02:49:52,870 --> 02:49:52,080
doesn't mean that's where they originate

4329
02:49:55,590 --> 02:49:52,880
from

4330
02:49:57,990 --> 02:49:55,600
we have a strong uh pattern of these

4331
02:49:59,750 --> 02:49:58,000
ufos triangular and otherwise being seen

4332
02:50:01,830 --> 02:49:59,760
near military installations

4333
02:50:04,309 --> 02:50:01,840
nuclear testing facilities nuclear

4334
02:50:06,790 --> 02:50:04,319
weapons storage nuclear power plants

4335
02:50:08,550 --> 02:50:06,800
so we can't say with certainty that

4336
02:50:10,710 --> 02:50:08,560
they're originating from these areas but

4337
02:50:13,990 --> 02:50:10,720
they do seem to show interest

4338
02:50:15,269 --> 02:50:14,000
specific to these areas with all of your

4339
02:50:18,710 --> 02:50:15,279
research

4340
02:50:19,910 --> 02:50:18,720
um if there's one thing that fascinates

4341
02:50:23,349 --> 02:50:19,920
me

4342
02:50:25,030 --> 02:50:23,359
is we've seen this generational i'm

4343
02:50:28,230 --> 02:50:25,040
talking about us humans

4344
02:50:32,389 --> 02:50:28,240
this generational change and

4345
02:50:35,830 --> 02:50:32,399
shift in types of sightings

4346
02:50:38,550 --> 02:50:35,840
right flying saucers cigars

4347
02:50:39,510 --> 02:50:38,560
shape absolutely you know uh black

4348
02:50:42,870 --> 02:50:39,520
triangles

4349
02:50:46,150 --> 02:50:42,880
squares uh rectangles

4350
02:50:48,950 --> 02:50:46,160
um we've seen and and the last

4351
02:50:53,030 --> 02:50:48,960
oh probably the last 10 years maybe a

4352
02:50:57,429 --> 02:50:56,790
lit craft right lit orbs which i have

4353
02:51:00,790 --> 02:50:57,439
seen

4354
02:51:01,190 --> 02:51:00,800
and then i had i had my now famous beer

4355
02:51:03,910 --> 02:51:01,200
can

4356
02:51:04,710 --> 02:51:03,920
sighting and that thing was 500 feet

4357
02:51:06,790 --> 02:51:04,720
tall that was

4358
02:51:08,230 --> 02:51:06,800
that was huge and there was 30 of us

4359
02:51:10,389 --> 02:51:08,240
that saw that

4360
02:51:11,910 --> 02:51:10,399
yeah i still can't explain that but

4361
02:51:15,590 --> 02:51:11,920
we've had these

4362
02:51:18,710 --> 02:51:15,600
very strange segments of time where

4363
02:51:20,469 --> 02:51:18,720
things are different absolutely um

4364
02:51:22,550 --> 02:51:20,479
that's not to negate the fact that we

4365
02:51:24,790 --> 02:51:22,560
still have disc shaped objects being

4366
02:51:27,910 --> 02:51:24,800
reported occasionally

4367
02:51:30,710 --> 02:51:27,920
cigar-shaped objects but to your point

4368
02:51:31,990 --> 02:51:30,720
the prevalence the frequency of certain

4369
02:51:34,550 --> 02:51:32,000
types of ufos

4370
02:51:36,150 --> 02:51:34,560
seem to be specific to certain decades

4371
02:51:37,990 --> 02:51:36,160
or periods in time

4372
02:51:39,110 --> 02:51:38,000
now sociologists that are listening to

4373
02:51:40,309 --> 02:51:39,120
this conversation they're going to

4374
02:51:41,030 --> 02:51:40,319
immediately going to jump to the fact

4375
02:51:43,269 --> 02:51:41,040
that well

4376
02:51:44,469 --> 02:51:43,279
it's just the evolution in the mythology

4377
02:51:47,830 --> 02:51:44,479
the belief system

4378
02:51:49,670 --> 02:51:47,840
with regard to ufo believers individuals

4379
02:51:52,870 --> 02:51:49,680
like myself are going to say

4380
02:51:53,670 --> 02:51:52,880
well okay i could accept that but many

4381
02:51:56,150 --> 02:51:53,680
of the

4382
02:51:57,910 --> 02:51:56,160
cases from the 50s and 60s were military

4383
02:51:59,269 --> 02:51:57,920
cases which also involved radar

4384
02:52:01,110 --> 02:51:59,279
confirmation

4385
02:52:02,469 --> 02:52:01,120
so it's not just eyewitness testimony

4386
02:52:04,550 --> 02:52:02,479
much like some of the dod

4387
02:52:06,309 --> 02:52:04,560
modern occurrences we're talking about

4388
02:52:07,110 --> 02:52:06,319
we have objective measures that are

4389
02:52:08,469 --> 02:52:07,120
recording

4390
02:52:11,510 --> 02:52:08,479
and monitoring these things in

4391
02:52:15,670 --> 02:52:11,520
conjunction with eyewitness testimony

4392
02:52:18,950 --> 02:52:15,680
i've never seen the cigar

4393
02:52:21,349 --> 02:52:18,960
i i want to see the cigar i've seen it

4394
02:52:23,990 --> 02:52:21,359
i've seen multiple discs

4395
02:52:25,910 --> 02:52:24,000
uh of course the beer can i've seen a

4396
02:52:28,950 --> 02:52:25,920
triangle or two

4397
02:52:30,469 --> 02:52:28,960
sure um those those i've seen i haven't

4398
02:52:33,510 --> 02:52:30,479
seen a cigar

4399
02:52:36,630 --> 02:52:33,520
the the plasma crafts these these

4400
02:52:38,950 --> 02:52:36,640
things multiple lights and and different

4401
02:52:42,070 --> 02:52:38,960
colors and and doing crazy things

4402
02:52:44,950 --> 02:52:42,080
i've seen hundreds of those hundreds

4403
02:52:46,309 --> 02:52:44,960
that that just can't be explained away

4404
02:52:48,070 --> 02:52:46,319
well it's funny in lectures i've done

4405
02:52:49,590 --> 02:52:48,080
across the country inevitably i'll get

4406
02:52:50,550 --> 02:52:49,600
asked you know well you know what shapes

4407
02:52:52,710 --> 02:52:50,560
and sizes

4408
02:52:54,389 --> 02:52:52,720
do these ufos appear and i said

4409
02:52:54,710 --> 02:52:54,399
basically everything your imagination

4410
02:52:59,190 --> 02:52:54,720
can

4411
02:53:01,030 --> 02:52:59,200
shapes and sizes there was even one that

4412
02:53:01,750 --> 02:53:01,040
looked like a ribbed condom that was a

4413
02:53:04,389 --> 02:53:01,760
famous uh

4414
02:53:05,429 --> 02:53:04,399
sighting near mount kilimanjaro in

4415
02:53:08,230 --> 02:53:05,439
africa

4416
02:53:09,590 --> 02:53:08,240
and so i mean it just it just you know

4417
02:53:13,030 --> 02:53:09,600
every shape and size

4418
02:53:16,150 --> 02:53:13,040
rectangle squares uh ribbed

4419
02:53:19,920 --> 02:53:16,160
condom i can see the move on

4420
02:53:22,389 --> 02:53:19,930
yeah the the mufon guy okay

4421
02:53:24,870 --> 02:53:22,399
[Laughter]

4422
02:53:25,830 --> 02:53:24,880
sketch artist i'm just saying oh man

4423
02:53:28,309 --> 02:53:25,840
it's just you know

4424
02:53:29,110 --> 02:53:28,319
you can almost develop it you can go

4425
02:53:30,790 --> 02:53:29,120
through

4426
02:53:32,150 --> 02:53:30,800
literally the thousands of case files

4427
02:53:34,309 --> 02:53:32,160
that are sitting here and you'll find

4428
02:53:35,269 --> 02:53:34,319
all shapes and manner of ufos being

4429
02:53:37,910 --> 02:53:35,279
reported

4430
02:53:39,910 --> 02:53:37,920
but to your point there's various there

4431
02:53:41,590 --> 02:53:39,920
seem to be very specific patterns with

4432
02:53:43,990 --> 02:53:41,600
regard to certain

4433
02:53:44,950 --> 02:53:44,000
subsets of ufos that are being reported

4434
02:53:46,389 --> 02:53:44,960
and those

4435
02:53:47,910 --> 02:53:46,399
those are the patterns that i like to

4436
02:53:50,070 --> 02:53:47,920
look at and i think a lot of other

4437
02:53:51,590 --> 02:53:50,080
researchers are looking at because

4438
02:53:53,510 --> 02:53:51,600
if there's patterns in the data it's

4439
02:53:55,670 --> 02:53:53,520
suggestive that we're dealing with a

4440
02:53:58,389 --> 02:53:55,680
real phenomenon that is just not

4441
02:53:59,510 --> 02:53:58,399
wide and varied as far as the reports

4442
02:54:01,269 --> 02:53:59,520
and especially

4443
02:54:02,870 --> 02:54:01,279
jimmy when you look at like the

4444
02:54:05,750 --> 02:54:02,880
triangles for example

4445
02:54:06,950 --> 02:54:05,760
that have been cited and described over

4446
02:54:08,870 --> 02:54:06,960
decades

4447
02:54:10,309 --> 02:54:08,880
with a geographical distribution

4448
02:54:13,110 --> 02:54:10,319
worldwide in fact

4449
02:54:14,630 --> 02:54:13,120
there was a a 24-hour period that i've

4450
02:54:16,230 --> 02:54:14,640
been able to cross-correlate looking at

4451
02:54:17,910 --> 02:54:16,240
different data sets where

4452
02:54:20,550 --> 02:54:17,920
project blue book documented a

4453
02:54:22,309 --> 02:54:20,560
triangular ufo sighting in illinois

4454
02:54:23,590 --> 02:54:22,319
a triangular sighting near the illinois

4455
02:54:25,990 --> 02:54:23,600
wisconsin border

4456
02:54:27,830 --> 02:54:26,000
and within that same 24-hour period in

4457
02:54:29,269 --> 02:54:27,840
an air intelligence report from project

4458
02:54:31,670 --> 02:54:29,279
blue book files

4459
02:54:33,190 --> 02:54:31,680
two fishermen described a triangular ufo

4460
02:54:35,830 --> 02:54:33,200
with lights at each point

4461
02:54:37,910 --> 02:54:35,840
seen over sumatra indonesia what have

4462
02:54:40,710 --> 02:54:37,920
you seen

4463
02:54:43,030 --> 02:54:40,720
i have seen unusual lights in the sky

4464
02:54:45,590 --> 02:54:43,040
moving in non-linear fashion

4465
02:54:48,070 --> 02:54:45,600
extremely high altitude it's nothing i

4466
02:54:50,230 --> 02:54:48,080
would ever constitute as a ufo

4467
02:54:52,230 --> 02:54:50,240
i've always said if i see a ufo i need

4468
02:54:55,830 --> 02:54:52,240
to like see rivets i need to see

4469
02:54:57,590 --> 02:54:55,840
structured detail um my mind could come

4470
02:54:58,870 --> 02:54:57,600
up with a logical explanation it would

4471
02:55:00,630 --> 02:54:58,880
be stretching it but i could come up

4472
02:55:01,429 --> 02:55:00,640
with a logical explanation to probably

4473
02:55:03,190 --> 02:55:01,439
you know

4474
02:55:05,349 --> 02:55:03,200
come up with a conventional explanation

4475
02:55:06,230 --> 02:55:05,359
so and i and i have to tell you my early

4476
02:55:08,389 --> 02:55:06,240
years i spent

4477
02:55:09,910 --> 02:55:08,399
you know dozens if not hundreds of hours

4478
02:55:11,830 --> 02:55:09,920
out in areas where there were ufo

4479
02:55:12,710 --> 02:55:11,840
sightings kettle mutilations i was set

4480
02:55:15,030 --> 02:55:12,720
up with

4481
02:55:16,469 --> 02:55:15,040
cameras infrared photography night

4482
02:55:18,870 --> 02:55:16,479
vision gear

4483
02:55:20,309 --> 02:55:18,880
parabolic recording microphone to record

4484
02:55:22,950 --> 02:55:20,319
noises and sounds

4485
02:55:23,429 --> 02:55:22,960
and in every event every night that we

4486
02:55:27,429 --> 02:55:23,439
did that

4487
02:55:30,870 --> 02:55:27,439
never saw a thing um what do you make of

4488
02:55:32,550 --> 02:55:30,880
uh you know you know cigars and and

4489
02:55:36,389 --> 02:55:32,560
triangles and

4490
02:55:38,630 --> 02:55:36,399
spheres and saucers but what about

4491
02:55:39,750 --> 02:55:38,640
the inter-dimensional aspect of all of

4492
02:55:42,150 --> 02:55:39,760
this where it

4493
02:55:43,030 --> 02:55:42,160
yeah it just may not be traveling at the

4494
02:55:46,309 --> 02:55:43,040
speed of light

4495
02:55:47,269 --> 02:55:46,319
for 10 000 years i have a i have a

4496
02:55:49,670 --> 02:55:47,279
fundamental issue with the

4497
02:55:50,309 --> 02:55:49,680
extraterrestrial hypothesis and likewise

4498
02:55:53,110 --> 02:55:50,319
i have

4499
02:55:54,630 --> 02:55:53,120
issues with the again the the

4500
02:55:56,630 --> 02:55:54,640
astronomers and the mainstream

4501
02:55:58,550 --> 02:55:56,640
scientists that always default to those

4502
02:56:00,710 --> 02:55:58,560
tired explanations you know well the

4503
02:56:03,830 --> 02:56:00,720
distances and the lifespan of the being

4504
02:56:05,670 --> 02:56:03,840
and the energy requirements you know

4505
02:56:06,870 --> 02:56:05,680
again it's kind of a false starter right

4506
02:56:08,790 --> 02:56:06,880
a non-sequitur

4507
02:56:11,110 --> 02:56:08,800
to throw those arguments out because to

4508
02:56:13,910 --> 02:56:11,120
your point what if we're dealing

4509
02:56:14,710 --> 02:56:13,920
with beings that are our intelligences

4510
02:56:17,349 --> 02:56:14,720
that are

4511
02:56:17,830 --> 02:56:17,359
coexisting on a different level in other

4512
02:56:20,630 --> 02:56:17,840
words

4513
02:56:22,230 --> 02:56:20,640
a dimension that coexists with ours the

4514
02:56:24,070 --> 02:56:22,240
only difference is they're able to slip

4515
02:56:24,550 --> 02:56:24,080
in and slip out between the dimensions

4516
02:56:26,870 --> 02:56:24,560
where

4517
02:56:28,630 --> 02:56:26,880
we are not all of those conventional

4518
02:56:30,710 --> 02:56:28,640
explanations

4519
02:56:32,630 --> 02:56:30,720
fall by the wayside if that's the case

4520
02:56:36,469 --> 02:56:32,640
and the funny thing about that is

4521
02:56:37,990 --> 02:56:36,479
uh in the 1960s some of these ideas

4522
02:56:39,990 --> 02:56:38,000
were being put forth and a lot of

4523
02:56:41,269 --> 02:56:40,000
mainstream scientists and physicists and

4524
02:56:42,950 --> 02:56:41,279
even astronomers

4525
02:56:44,710 --> 02:56:42,960
would point to that and laugh at the

4526
02:56:46,150 --> 02:56:44,720
folly of ufo researchers that they're

4527
02:56:49,190 --> 02:56:46,160
stuck in science fiction

4528
02:56:49,670 --> 02:56:49,200
right well dr michio kaku and other

4529
02:56:52,070 --> 02:56:49,680
leading

4530
02:56:53,110 --> 02:56:52,080
astrophysicists theoretical physicists

4531
02:56:56,309 --> 02:56:53,120
are now

4532
02:56:57,110 --> 02:56:56,319
seriously discussing m theory string

4533
02:56:59,670 --> 02:56:57,120
theory

4534
02:57:01,190 --> 02:56:59,680
multiverses this is not the stuff of

4535
02:57:02,309 --> 02:57:01,200
science fiction this is the stuff of

4536
02:57:04,710 --> 02:57:02,319
science fact

4537
02:57:06,630 --> 02:57:04,720
it's almost like science is catching up

4538
02:57:11,830 --> 02:57:06,640
with the ufo phenomenon

4539
02:57:14,950 --> 02:57:11,840
it's uh it has come to the point where

4540
02:57:17,910 --> 02:57:14,960
i look at science more i said this

4541
02:57:19,590 --> 02:57:17,920
to um eric von daniken uh in our

4542
02:57:21,990 --> 02:57:19,600
interview a couple of days ago

4543
02:57:23,110 --> 02:57:22,000
when he asked me about this this exact

4544
02:57:27,510 --> 02:57:23,120
question i said look

4545
02:57:30,950 --> 02:57:27,520
eric when a skeptic approaches me

4546
02:57:34,230 --> 02:57:30,960
the bullets in my gun are science

4547
02:57:36,230 --> 02:57:34,240
so i go to science man you know parallel

4548
02:57:39,910 --> 02:57:36,240
worlds the multiverse

4549
02:57:43,429 --> 02:57:39,920
uh entanglement these are the things

4550
02:57:45,030 --> 02:57:43,439
that science is talking about today

4551
02:57:47,030 --> 02:57:45,040
they're talking about that math

4552
02:57:48,950 --> 02:57:47,040
they're talking about that's what they

4553
02:57:51,830 --> 02:57:48,960
want us to absorb

4554
02:57:53,590 --> 02:57:51,840
and comprehend that's what i go to a

4555
02:57:55,910 --> 02:57:53,600
skeptic with

4556
02:57:57,830 --> 02:57:55,920
and imagine going back in time 100 years

4557
02:57:59,910 --> 02:57:57,840
talking to scientists about these things

4558
02:58:01,750 --> 02:57:59,920
they would probably want to want to

4559
02:58:02,630 --> 02:58:01,760
chastise you and cast you out from

4560
02:58:05,110 --> 02:58:02,640
society

4561
02:58:07,030 --> 02:58:05,120
burn me at the stake yeah burn you at

4562
02:58:08,710 --> 02:58:07,040
the stake if you go back even further

4563
02:58:10,630 --> 02:58:08,720
i think john mack was the one that

4564
02:58:12,309 --> 02:58:10,640
coined the the phrase which i absolutely

4565
02:58:13,349 --> 02:58:12,319
love that science has become the new

4566
02:58:16,870 --> 02:58:13,359
religion

4567
02:58:19,349 --> 02:58:16,880
rigid dogmatic unyielding and

4568
02:58:21,269 --> 02:58:19,359
you know history has shown time and time

4569
02:58:23,750 --> 02:58:21,279
again when we think we know what

4570
02:58:26,150 --> 02:58:23,760
is something comes out of left field

4571
02:58:27,190 --> 02:58:26,160
that completely debases all of it and we

4572
02:58:30,469 --> 02:58:27,200
have to rethink

4573
02:58:33,030 --> 02:58:30,479
our view of reality yeah no matter

4574
02:58:34,710 --> 02:58:33,040
what it is and i don't know what it is i

4575
02:58:35,990 --> 02:58:34,720
don't know how they're getting here but

4576
02:58:39,429 --> 02:58:36,000
they are

4577
02:58:40,550 --> 02:58:39,439
but whatever it is it's easy it's easy

4578
02:58:42,950 --> 02:58:40,560
for them

4579
02:58:44,230 --> 02:58:42,960
right we get in our car we start it up

4580
02:58:48,790 --> 02:58:44,240
and we drive

4581
02:58:51,510 --> 02:58:48,800
somewhere that 200 300 400 500 years ago

4582
02:58:53,190 --> 02:58:51,520
impossible to even suggest to somebody

4583
02:58:56,070 --> 02:58:53,200
what is going on

4584
02:58:58,550 --> 02:58:56,080
today it's easy for us to go shopping

4585
02:59:00,630 --> 02:58:58,560
it's easy for us to fly to london

4586
02:59:01,910 --> 02:59:00,640
these are easy things and it's the same

4587
02:59:04,950 --> 02:59:01,920
thing for et

4588
02:59:07,670 --> 02:59:04,960
whatever it is it's easy

4589
02:59:09,269 --> 02:59:07,680
right and we're gonna get there i just

4590
02:59:09,750 --> 02:59:09,279
think we need to continue to look at the

4591
02:59:12,389 --> 02:59:09,760
data

4592
02:59:14,790 --> 02:59:12,399
suspend belief or disbelief for ufo

4593
02:59:17,429 --> 02:59:14,800
believers or ufo skeptics

4594
02:59:18,550 --> 02:59:17,439
simply look at the data try to approach

4595
02:59:21,830 --> 02:59:18,560
it with a rational

4596
02:59:22,550 --> 02:59:21,840
perspective be objective but look at the

4597
02:59:24,309 --> 02:59:22,560
data

4598
02:59:26,150 --> 02:59:24,319
don't believe arbitrarily but don't

4599
02:59:27,670 --> 02:59:26,160
discount the subject arbitrarily

4600
02:59:29,110 --> 02:59:27,680
thank you so much david what a great

4601
02:59:29,910 --> 02:59:29,120
night on the show thank you for doing

4602
02:59:33,190 --> 02:59:29,920
the overtime

4603
02:59:35,349 --> 02:59:33,200
with this sure uh in in the short time

4604
02:59:37,910 --> 02:59:35,359
that we have left about 15 seconds

4605
02:59:38,950 --> 02:59:37,920
what's up next what are you working on

4606
02:59:40,710 --> 02:59:38,960
well uh

4607
02:59:42,150 --> 02:59:40,720
basically high level digitization

4608
02:59:44,070 --> 02:59:42,160
project right now

4609
02:59:46,070 --> 02:59:44,080
uh in addition to the nightcap kufos

4610
02:59:49,269 --> 02:59:46,080
files i received in november

4611
02:59:51,590 --> 02:59:49,279
uh i i have to give a shout out rod dyke

4612
02:59:53,510 --> 02:59:51,600
who lives in washington state rod dyke

4613
02:59:56,230 --> 02:59:53,520
in the archives for ufo research

4614
02:59:56,870 --> 02:59:56,240
rod purchased all of the vintage

4615
02:59:59,750 --> 02:59:56,880
historic

4616
03:00:02,309 --> 02:59:59,760
audio recordings from nycap from richard

4617
03:00:05,590 --> 03:00:02,319
hall before he passed away in the 90s

4618
03:00:07,590 --> 03:00:05,600
and he had those recordings kufos had

4619
03:00:10,630 --> 03:00:07,600
the nightcap case files

4620
03:00:12,309 --> 03:00:10,640
recently rod heard me on a podcast

4621
03:00:13,910 --> 03:00:12,319
and was so impressed that i was able to

4622
03:00:15,429 --> 03:00:13,920
have the files here in the context of

4623
03:00:18,389 --> 03:00:15,439
the rest of the collection

4624
03:00:19,510 --> 03:00:18,399
he generously and i say that truly he

4625
03:00:22,950 --> 03:00:19,520
generously

4626
03:00:24,389 --> 03:00:22,960
donated all of these dozens of archival

4627
03:00:27,429 --> 03:00:24,399
reels going back to the late

4628
03:00:28,309 --> 03:00:27,439
50s archival audio recordings with don

4629
03:00:30,710 --> 03:00:28,319
quijo

4630
03:00:32,389 --> 03:00:30,720
richard hall but more specifically jimmy

4631
03:00:35,190 --> 03:00:32,399
ufo witnesses

4632
03:00:35,990 --> 03:00:35,200
and i've been able to start taking the

4633
03:00:37,750 --> 03:00:36,000
recordings

4634
03:00:39,910 --> 03:00:37,760
and matching them up with the case files

4635
03:00:41,750 --> 03:00:39,920
after decades of separation

4636
03:00:43,429 --> 03:00:41,760
all of that data is now reunited and

4637
03:00:45,429 --> 03:00:43,439
complementary to each other

4638
03:00:46,630 --> 03:00:45,439
and i'm working on in fact tomorrow

4639
03:00:47,429 --> 03:00:46,640
morning i'll be doing it first thing in

4640
03:00:49,990 --> 03:00:47,439
the morning

4641
03:00:51,990 --> 03:00:50,000
uh working on digitizing these hundreds

4642
03:00:54,070 --> 03:00:52,000
of hours of old vintage reel-to-reel

4643
03:00:55,429 --> 03:00:54,080
recordings and more specifically

4644
03:00:57,429 --> 03:00:55,439
digitally enhancing them

4645
03:00:59,670 --> 03:00:57,439
improving the quality from the original

4646
03:01:01,110 --> 03:00:59,680
content and i plan on getting those

4647
03:01:03,030 --> 03:01:01,120
uploaded to where those will be

4648
03:01:05,030 --> 03:01:03,040
available freely to the general public

4649
03:01:06,870 --> 03:01:05,040
into the ufo research community

4650
03:01:08,309 --> 03:01:06,880
in conjunction with what jan and barry

4651
03:01:09,590 --> 03:01:08,319
are going to be doing scanning the case

4652
03:01:11,349 --> 03:01:09,600
files so

4653
03:01:13,030 --> 03:01:11,359
eventually you know all this material

4654
03:01:14,870 --> 03:01:13,040
will be available online

4655
03:01:16,469 --> 03:01:14,880
for those that happen to be in the

4656
03:01:17,990 --> 03:01:16,479
albuquerque area or in

4657
03:01:20,150 --> 03:01:18,000
in the region and that would like to

4658
03:01:22,309 --> 03:01:20,160
make a trip i open up the archives to

4659
03:01:23,030 --> 03:01:22,319
any serious researchers until we do get

4660
03:01:26,230 --> 03:01:23,040
those

4661
03:01:27,910 --> 03:01:26,240
digitally preserved and put online man

4662
03:01:29,830 --> 03:01:27,920
you got the best gig in the world give

4663
03:01:30,309 --> 03:01:29,840
my best to barry and jam when they come

4664
03:01:32,630 --> 03:01:30,319
by

4665
03:01:34,469 --> 03:01:32,640
i will that's going to be really cool

4666
03:01:35,190 --> 03:01:34,479
and uh tentatively we're looking at

4667
03:01:37,990 --> 03:01:35,200
august

4668
03:01:40,230 --> 03:01:38,000
full-on gel full-on gel thank you so

4669
03:01:42,230 --> 03:01:40,240
much david enjoy the rest of your night

4670
03:01:43,510 --> 03:01:42,240
and uh it's time to go back to work

4671
03:01:46,150 --> 03:01:43,520
thank you so much

4672
03:01:48,150 --> 03:01:46,160
absolutely jimmy take care david marlar

4673
03:01:49,110 --> 03:01:48,160
thank you so much we just went bumper to

4674
03:01:51,670 --> 03:01:49,120
bumper

4675
03:01:52,230 --> 03:01:51,680
uh pulled a pole i've gotta jump

4676
03:01:54,710 --> 03:01:52,240
straight

4677
03:01:56,070 --> 03:01:54,720
into credits and then i'm gonna go jump

4678
03:01:58,389 --> 03:01:56,080
on an airplane and head back to

4679
03:02:00,710 --> 03:01:58,399
indianapolis thank you so much david

4680
03:02:03,110 --> 03:02:00,720
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4681
03:02:04,870 --> 03:02:03,120
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4682
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4683
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4684
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4685
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4686
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4687
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4688
03:02:17,990 --> 03:02:16,000
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4689
03:02:19,670 --> 03:02:18,000
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4690
03:02:21,349 --> 03:02:19,680
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4691
03:02:23,190 --> 03:02:21,359
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4692
03:02:25,349 --> 03:02:23,200
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4693
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4694
03:02:28,790 --> 03:02:26,960
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4695
03:02:30,309 --> 03:02:28,800
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4696
03:02:31,110 --> 03:02:30,319
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4697
03:02:32,710 --> 03:02:31,120
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4698
03:02:34,150 --> 03:02:32,720
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4699
03:02:35,349 --> 03:02:34,160
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4700
03:02:37,830 --> 03:02:35,359
yours jimmy church

4701
03:02:38,389 --> 03:02:37,840
i'm off to indianapolis everybody have a

4702
03:02:41,510 --> 03:02:38,399
great

4703
03:02:42,790 --> 03:02:41,520
safe fun amazing weekend i'll see you on

4704
03:03:01,340 --> 03:02:42,800
monday